Not necessarily. They will often tumble and not penetrate as far. BEsides, they are illegal for hunting in most of Canada.
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Not necessarily. They will often tumble and not penetrate as far. BEsides, they are illegal for hunting in most of Canada.
burnt_servo
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anyone who has actually used any of barnes x bullets in a real world situation swear by them .
i would imagine the other brands will have similar results .
the only draw back with the original x bullet was if you had a slightly rough bore and used a lead core bullets and didn't clean all the gilding metal fouling out , you would get copper fouling very quickly from the x bullets .
keep the bore squeaky clean and it wasn't a issue .
i would imagine the other brands will have similar results .
the only draw back with the original x bullet was if you had a slightly rough bore and used a lead core bullets and didn't clean all the gilding metal fouling out , you would get copper fouling very quickly from the x bullets .
keep the bore squeaky clean and it wasn't a issue .
drummerboy73
Regular
I tryed copper bullets one fall and did not like them at all.The bullets dont expand enough therefor the wound channel's\vital damage is'nt as great as to when useing lead bullets.Nothing but nosler for me now on.
& there's nothing wrong with alittle lead in meat.Guys who think that its bad to shoot a deer with a lead bullet and then eat the meat,dont know what there talking aboutJMO
Ty, I've read your story about your experience with barnes bullets numerous times on another forum. This past season I loaded the barnes 140 gr tsx in my .280 Ai and the hornady 130 gr gmx in my girlfriends .270 wsm. We shot, between the 2 of us, 5 deer and an antelope this season. all were one shot kills, save one that required a second shot do to a bad first shot( my bad not hers). The 2 deer and the antelope she shot were drt, bang flop. The 3 deer I shot, not one went more than 30 yards.
I realize you base your opinion on experience as do I. I used Nosler partitions for years before switching to Barnes. The Barnes don't kill any better but they are definately more accurate in our rifles. Not knockin Nosler at all but the combo of accuracy and terminal performance with the Barnes is just better.
I have not shot enough game with the Barnes TSX/TTSX to make an educated statement, but the initial results have been great! I am a Partition fan, through-and-through, and have shot a freightcar full of game with them. Accuracy wise, I have always found a load that would shoot them well, sometimes extremely well. Terminal performance has been stellar, with not one head of game ever lost to a Partition hit.
But I believe the "handwriting" is on the wall. Lead is on the enviromentalist's "hit" list, and it may not be too long before lead bullets are a memory only. In the meantime, I will continue to use the Partition mostly, while trying the monometal bullets to get a bit more empirical evidence to share. Regards, Eagleye.
But I believe the "handwriting" is on the wall. Lead is on the enviromentalist's "hit" list, and it may not be too long before lead bullets are a memory only. In the meantime, I will continue to use the Partition mostly, while trying the monometal bullets to get a bit more empirical evidence to share. Regards, Eagleye.
For those that want the facts, here is the article that set of the debate:
Environ Res. 2009 Nov;109(8):952-9. Epub 2009 Sep 10.
<H1 class=title>Hunting with lead: association between blood lead levels and wild game consumption.</H1>Iqbal S, Blumenthal W, Kennedy C, Yip FY, Pickard S, Flanders WD, Loringer K, Kruger K, Caldwell KL, Jean Brown M.
Epidemic Intelligence Service, Office of Workforce and Career Development, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Chamblee, GA 30341, USA. iqbalshahed@yahoo.com
<H3 class=abstract_label>Abstract</H3>BACKGROUND: Wild game hunting is a popular activity in many regions of the United States. Recently, the presence of lead fragments in wild game meat, presumably from the bullets or shot used for hunting, has raised concerns about health risks from meat consumption.
OBJECTIVE: This study examined the association between blood lead levels (PbB) and wild game consumption.
METHODS: We recruited 742 participants, aged 2-92 years, from six North Dakota cities. Blood lead samples were collected from 736 persons. Information on socio-demographic background, housing, lead exposure source, and types of wild game consumption (i.e., venison, other game such as moose, birds) was also collected. Generalized estimating equations (GEE) were used to determine the association between PbB and wild game consumption.
RESULTS: Most participants reported consuming wild game (80.8%) obtained from hunting (98.8%). The geometric mean PbB were 1.27 and 0.84 microg/dl among persons who did and did not consume wild game, respectively. After adjusting for potential confounders, persons who consumed wild game had 0.30 microg/dl (95% confidence interval: 0.16-0.44 microg/dl) higher PbB than persons who did not. For all game types, recent (<1 month) wild game consumption was associated with higher PbB. PbB was also higher among those who consumed a larger serving size (> or = 2 oz vs. <2 oz); however, this association was significant for 'other game' consumption only.
CONCLUSIONS: Participants who consumed wild game had higher PbB than those who did not consume wild game. Careful review of butchering practices and monitoring of meat-packing processes may decrease lead exposure from wild game consumption.
PMID: 19747676 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Environ Res. 2009 Nov;109(8):952-9. Epub 2009 Sep 10.
<H1 class=title>Hunting with lead: association between blood lead levels and wild game consumption.</H1>Iqbal S, Blumenthal W, Kennedy C, Yip FY, Pickard S, Flanders WD, Loringer K, Kruger K, Caldwell KL, Jean Brown M.
Epidemic Intelligence Service, Office of Workforce and Career Development, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Chamblee, GA 30341, USA. iqbalshahed@yahoo.com
<H3 class=abstract_label>Abstract</H3>BACKGROUND: Wild game hunting is a popular activity in many regions of the United States. Recently, the presence of lead fragments in wild game meat, presumably from the bullets or shot used for hunting, has raised concerns about health risks from meat consumption.
OBJECTIVE: This study examined the association between blood lead levels (PbB) and wild game consumption.
METHODS: We recruited 742 participants, aged 2-92 years, from six North Dakota cities. Blood lead samples were collected from 736 persons. Information on socio-demographic background, housing, lead exposure source, and types of wild game consumption (i.e., venison, other game such as moose, birds) was also collected. Generalized estimating equations (GEE) were used to determine the association between PbB and wild game consumption.
RESULTS: Most participants reported consuming wild game (80.8%) obtained from hunting (98.8%). The geometric mean PbB were 1.27 and 0.84 microg/dl among persons who did and did not consume wild game, respectively. After adjusting for potential confounders, persons who consumed wild game had 0.30 microg/dl (95% confidence interval: 0.16-0.44 microg/dl) higher PbB than persons who did not. For all game types, recent (<1 month) wild game consumption was associated with higher PbB. PbB was also higher among those who consumed a larger serving size (> or = 2 oz vs. <2 oz); however, this association was significant for 'other game' consumption only.
CONCLUSIONS: Participants who consumed wild game had higher PbB than those who did not consume wild game. Careful review of butchering practices and monitoring of meat-packing processes may decrease lead exposure from wild game consumption.
PMID: 19747676 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Thanks Red
I have only few recovered TSX and TTSX bullets and will post pictures of those to show that they do expand
From left to right : 150 gr TTSX shot from 30-06 nice 6 point Elk 100y'
180 gr TSX from mule buck at 160 y 300 Weath Mag, 225 gr TTSX Elk cow 520 y.
Last three bullets on right are Barnes 150 gr 30 cal
"& there's nothing wrong with a little lead in meat.Guys who think that its bad to shoot a deer with a lead bullet and then eat the meat,don't know what there talking about"
Please do some reading on this subject before you have opinion like this and google scientific study re: presence of lead in food.
Google lead poisoning and see that your statement is false...
Once you absorb any amount of lead or any other haevy metal it will be in your body forever ...
I ate lead shot game for a long time, and my parents smoked cigarettes in small apartment with us being in the cloud... doe's it make it right once we know that this can hurt us?
I make my own sausage using old style recipes so they don't have 1500 chemicals approved by government, I hunt so I can eat as healthy as it can be, why I would feed my unborn grandchild lead...beets me...
If spending 1$ on 1 bullet makes you sick than ask yoursef how far You can go hunting on 1 liter of gas ...probably to your corner stone.
Andrew
