all in one shotty? what should i buy?

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I might pick up my first shotgun soon enough but i need a recommendation on a brand and guage... i don't care if its pump or semi auto

I read that a 3.5" chamber will accept any shell smaller than that... but that its more expensive and heavier, is that true? wouldn't a shotty with a 3.5" chamber be the wiser choice since it can load any shell length?

I was thinking i would start off small, hunting rabbit or phesants with a 2 3/4" shot shell and then move up to.. maybe duck, put a choke on that baby and bang! its good to go... and then maybe if i have the money, i would go hunting for gueese so i would need the longer shell which is where the 3.5" chamber would come in handy!:dancingbanana: load that with slugs and she's good for deer/moose!!


an all in one hunting shotgun is what im looking for, what should i get?

p.s, no double barrel suggestions, i don't have enough $ or muscle on me to lug those things around yet:p
 
i'm thinking one of the mavierick or mosserberg or if your budget will stand stand it, all with combo second barrels - that extra barrel costs you far more as an after market- and lots of ducks and geese have been taken with the shorter shells- remember , in shotguns, the word magnum puts more pellets out there, not higher velocity- i wouldn't worry about the 3.5 just get 1 that takes 23/4 and 3 inch- 3.5 inch shells tend to be hard to come by
 
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I think any pump on the market would fit the bill. Depending on which one fits you best.

I'm picking up a 20ga BPS this weekend.
 
I'd suggest that you consider a (14" barrelled) Norinco HP9-1 along with a spare Remington 870 barrel, or two, in the length and configuration that you prefer. The price on the HP9-1 is a bargain; the quality is excellent. It is listed as available at Marstar. Replacement 870 parts, including barrels and choke tubes, are widely available and very affordable. Such a package can be the best of both worlds.
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/N870-14.00.shtm

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http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/images/HP9-XL.jpg

The Norinco N870-14.00 (aka. 'HP9-1') is the short-barreled version of the ever popular 'Remington 870' pattern pump action shotgun. Fitted with a 14" barrel, the N870-14.00 is a handy, compact utility gun whose forged and milled steel receiver, weatherproof synthetic stock, and proven design equals great performance at attractively low prices.

Hunters, target shooters, and action shooting competitors the world over know the 870 pattern design remains the most versatile, most widely used pump action shotgun on the market. The Norinco N870 guns are compatible with a wide variety of 870 accessories such as stocks, magazine extensions, side saddles, and more!

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N870-14.00 Norinco 'Rem. 870' 14" 12ga. 4 rds. 355mm Park. In Stock $345.00

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/N870-14.00.shtm
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I bought the mossberg 500 28'' and 18'' combo for 249$ at SIR, unbeatable price.

I went clay shooting with both barrels past weekend and i am very impressed. Not a single hiccup.

OK i missed few clays, but my fault.

Nice field tested shotgun.
 
870 express super mag combo.

You will likely never need the 3.5 shells, but if you want to use them you have the option.

Lots of people ##### that steel doesn't have enough killing power, but then proceed to tell you that you don't need the 3.5 shell. If steel sucks (and it does) then why wouldn't you shoot the more powerful shells at longer range/late season birds? Wouldn't that be a better solution than longing for the good old days of lead?
 
ill agree that steel blows. but i shoot a fair amount of canadian geese during our season here and #2 or bb size steel shot from 3" shells works great, on those and swans. if ive found anything while shooting faterfowl with steel is that the smaller birds ( mallard ducks and paradise ducks ) will take the hits and keep going, where the larger birds ( canada geese and black swans ) will drop like a stone.

so while 3.5"s put more shot in the air and give you a higher chance to hit/kill, is it worth the cost to the wallet and ears ? when you can kill just fine with 3" shells

( this of course is just my view on things.. maybe im bitter because my shotty doesnt take 3.5"s :D )
 
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870 express super mag combo.

You will likely never need the 3.5 shells, but if you want to use them you have the option.

Lots of people ##### that steel doesn't have enough killing power, but then proceed to tell you that you don't need the 3.5 shell. If steel sucks (and it does) then why wouldn't you shoot the more powerful shells at longer range/late season birds? Wouldn't that be a better solution than longing for the good old days of lead?
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The trouble with steel shot is that it loses velocity quickly. Steel shot from 3.5 inch shells loses velocity just as fast as steel shot from a 3 inch shell. They aren't actually "more powerful" in the sense that they shoot any further or retain velocity any better.
 
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Lots of people ##### that steel doesn't have enough killing power, but then proceed to tell you that you don't need the 3.5 shell. If steel sucks (and it does) then why wouldn't you shoot the more powerful shells at longer range/late season birds? Wouldn't that be a better solution than longing for the good old days of lead?
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I do not think that the ones saying you do not need the 3.5 shell, are the same ones that are saying that steel does not have enough killing power.

I do think that some who do not kill cleanly often blame the gun or ammo instead of the real fault of their poor kill ratio.

In the old days, good shooters who centered their targets within reasonable range got their share of game birds. Same today.

The good old days of lead were not always good. Prior to the use of plastic shot cup wads, specialized long range hardened shot and a whole bunch of other tweaks all lead was not all that good.

Many present day steel loads are superior to many to the old lead loads.
 
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I'd also advise a Rem. 870 express super mag. You can get barrels ranging from 18" up to 30" and the 3.5" shells have the extra bang for long range goose hunting. Mine has the black poly stock, but the wood looks great too. If you have the extra dough, the 870 wingmaster has a nicer finish and better quality assembly and fitting. That said I have no problems with my express when I use good quality shells. Wall-mart specials jam up and won't extract after shooting. I understand Mossberg makes a good unit as well, but doesn't have near the parts options available for it. Good luck.
 
Reading through some earlier posts, I can't believe anyone would seriously advise a 14" barrel, or any barrel shorter than 26" for a general, all 'round shotgun. If you want to look cool while blowing up milk jugs with slugs, by all means buy a "tactical" shotgun. Real wingshooters have realized long ago that "standard" or longer barrels smooth the swing and improve hits. As for 3-1/2" shells, they are a solution to a problem that is so rare that it would be foolish to buy a shotgun specialized for long range and large steel shot, then expect it to balance and perform adequately for upland birds or clay targets. I shoot nearly all my geese with 2-3/4" steel, and also rarely with 3" steel or a premium non-toxic load.
My advice? a 12 ga 3" Remington, Browning or similar good quality pump with 28" barrel with screw-in chokes. An interchangeable slug barrel is a nice option. Many thousands of shooters would agree.
 
And I can't believe that anyone would recommend anything with a 28" barrel as an all 'round shotgun. The premise is that he will own only one shotgun.

For a shotgun that is to be truly all-purpose, it should have at least two barrels, and one of them should be short.
 
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