All Metal Remington 870 Short Shotty

Drachenblut

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Hello,

As the title suggests, I am looking for an estimate on cost, and discussion of the Remington 870 in a short (as short as possible) STOCK configuration. I was thinking something like a Marine Magnum w/ 18" barrel? Something that looks nice, is all metal parts, ease of use, and can be fitted with wood grips etc (Plastic makes me gag. Been a milsurp man too long)

What can you recommend? Budget is an issue. Must be under $750

Yours,
Drachenblut
 
Buy an old wingmaster for around $300 (they've gone up in price sinc the tacticool craze.) They usually come with a 30 inch or 28 inch barrel. Chop it to 18 1/4 inches, put on a new bead or ghost rings. They usually come with wood stock. If it's too long you can trim it down. Even adding ghost rings it's under $500.
 
Save you cash and get a 870 HD and upgrade the extractor and trigger mech later.

The recievers and most of the parts are all the same between express and police "your paying more for finish"
 
870 HD? Pardon?

Ok so basically the 870 Express, or a Wingmaster chopped down (how does one go about legalities for that? Details?) or a Police. I want all metal parts though, no plastic stuff. Brother Rockeye, send me a pm with a pic if you can?

Cheers,
Drachenblut
 
dogzilla said:
Buy an old wingmaster for around $300 (they've gone up in price sinc the tacticool craze.) They usually come with a 30 inch or 28 inch barrel. Chop it to 18 1/4 inches, put on a new bead or ghost rings. They usually come with wood stock. If it's too long you can trim it down. Even adding ghost rings it's under $500.
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Good plan. I bought an old wingmaster receiver with wood stock set for $175 shipped and then found an Express 18.5" barrel with choke tubes for $95 shipped. Add a +2 extension and it's done. I am working on refinishing the stock, adding a recoil pad and sorting out a refinish for all the metal. I will be well under $500 when all is said and done.

Drachenblut said:
Ok so basically the 870 Express, or a Wingmaster chopped down (how does one go about legalities for that? Details?)
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No legalities involved, just keep the finished length over 18" and you're good to go. You may want to call the CFC to let them know about the new barrel length, depending on how it is stated on the registration cert and how short you cut it.

Mark
 
I got an 870 Express with a police wood stock set for $300, and a 14" remington barrel with a bead sight for $360, total of $660, which fits your budget if you are interested in doing the same.

Non- restricted to boot.


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Basically, here is something I hate. Parkerization. That's why I liked the satin nickle finish of the Marine Magnum. I wouldn't mind an express in just the original blued form, but I do not like this "black, rough grunge" feeling of Parkerization. I have a Grizzly with pistol grip, and tactical foregrip with a vertical grip. I have the original butt and fore grip if anyone is willing to trade for a 18 inch barreled version of a 870 with wood fittings, sans Parkerization.
 
Go for the wingmaster. If the finish is ok just keep it blued. Or you can have it KG guncoated. Nice smooth durable finish.
 
mmattockx said:
then found an Express 18.5" barrel with choke tubes for $95 shipped.
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that was the deal of a lifetime - people should not expect to find one anywhere near that price, much less with chokes :D
the route you went is what id also recommend - good choice on the wingmaster. $175 is about the going rate for a Wingmaster receiver, and you can upgrade them to 3" if you are really bent on getting 3" capability out of it - though honestly its unneccessary in a home defense/sildlife defence/plinker IMHO.

I do not like this "black, rough grunge" feeling of Parkerization.
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in that case you are narrowed down to the Wingmaster... or perhaps waiting for a deal on a rare oldskool blued 870P (dont hold your breath). all metal (no plastic), gloss blued, and a much better machining inside/out. unless the receiver you buy is in really rough shape, id just leave it blued.
 
Man Bear Pig, I would not mind a Wingmaster. They seem good rifles and I wouldn't mind either chopping the barrel to 18.5". If someone has one and is checking this out, I'd be willing to make a trade or purchase. I prefer wood stocking.
 
Drachenblut said:
Man Bear Pig, I would not mind a Wingmaster. They seem good rifles and I wouldn't mind either chopping the barrel to 18.5". If someone has one and is checking this out, I'd be willing to make a trade or purchase. I prefer wood stocking.
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If you have a gunsmith chop it, you could also get interchangeable choke tubes installed at the same time. Price varies according to area, but it should be around $120 for a chop and tube install. Tubes would be on top of that.

Don't get too hung up on wood for the stock, if you find a good deal on the right gun but it has synthetic stock/forearm, you can sell the synthetic ones on the EE and find a set of wood ones to replace the plastic. Wood sets regularly come up in the EE for pretty cheap, you may even be able to trade someone straight across for a synthetic set.

Mark
 
do not waste money having a chopped 2 3/4" barrel threaded for chokes.
if you get an old Wingmaster with a 28-30" plain barrel chop it yourself as a project gun and leave it as cylinder bore - or look for a 3" Express barrel.

on the typical home defense/wildlife defense/plinker chokes are a nice bonus (i wouldnt turn them down), but IMHO certainly not worth spending the coin to have the barrel tapped + cost of chokes. fixed cylinder bore, (or imp. cyl like some factory 18.5s) is perfectly fine for the typical slug/buckshot <50 yard shooting these guns see.
 
Allright. I'll put a post on the EE for a trade or sale of my Grizzly, see if anyone has the Remington 870 I'm looking for. What's the difference between the express and the wingmaster?
 
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422652&highlight=finish

Wingmaster: better machining, all metal triggergroup, no dimples in the end of the mag tube that need to be drilled/pressed out to install mag extensions, better mag spring retainer/cap detent, forged extractor, far better finish and gloss blued, chromed bolt, smoother action out of the box.

Express: plastic triggergroup, dimples in mag tube, plastic mag spring retainer/cap detent, poor machining/finish, bit rougher action out of the box (but will smooth up with use).

that said, i doubt any of the above affects reliability and none of the above is going to make the animal you shoot any deader.
 
manbearpig said:
Wingmaster: no dimples in the end of the mag tube that need to be drilled/pressed out to install mag extensions, better mag spring retainer/cap detent,
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This is not entirely accurate. It depends on the age of the gun. Recent production 12 gauge Wingmasters have the dimpled magazine and the plastic spring retainer. Older Wingmasters, Police Models, Express HD and Marine Magnums still have non-dimpled magazine tubes.
 
Claybuster said:
This is not entirely accurate. It depends on the age of the gun. Recent production 12 gauge Wingmasters have the dimpled magazine and the plastic spring retainer. Older Wingmasters, Police Models, Express HD and Marine Magnums still have non-dimpled magazine tubes.
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i stand corrected. i dont own any recent wingmasters.
a couple of mine have a plain mag tube, but i have one older one that has two 1/4" holes drilled laterally through the mag tube - looks like at the factory.

do the recent production wingmasters not have the little ball bearing detent on the barrel anymore?
 
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