altering a long mauser barrel to K98k profile (with pics)

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So I'm working on a franked-rifle project because I find that sort of thing fun. In this case, we're starting with an orphan M1909 Argentine Mauser barrel that had a bulged muzzle. Someone clearly removed this barrel and re-purposed the action, I have no idea if it got the ringed muzzle in service or through abuse here in Canada. The bore is otherwise pretty good. For a project, I'm going to build a German Kar98k pattern rifle that externally will look like an issue K98k, but that will be chambered in 7.65x53 Argentine. Why? Well, because I can, and I like the caliber. I have dies, brass, etc. already as well. I also have most of the parts on-hand.

I have a take off K98k 8mm barrel with a poor bore that I'm using for reference. By poor, I mean heavily pitted, counter-bored, and generally awful, but that's OK, we're just pulling dimensions off it.

So right away, there are some things that we need to fix:

1) An Argentine 1909 barrel is 29.13" long while a K98k barrel is only 23.62" long.
2) A K98k Barrel has a .900" journal ahead of the chamber that the rear sight base is soldered to. An argentine barrel, on the other hand, is 0.760" in the same area as the argentine sight base is smaller in diameter.
3) The end of the chamber area on a K98k is a sharp corner, on an argentine barrel, it's radiused.
4) The Argentine barrel necks down less quickly, so near the muzzle we will need to reduce the diameter to match a K98k barrel contour.

Here's an example comparing the rear sight area of both barrels after the sights are sweated off (Argentine on top):
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Note that the argentine barrel is thinner. I've already cleaned the ruling off in prep to solder on a collar to increase the diameter. Also, I already turned the the front of the chamber area at the step to get rid of the radius there. The sleeve will now fit flush and we can re-machine a nice, sharp step like a K98k barrel.

In this photo, you'll see an old piece of shotgun 12 gauge barrel I've already bored out to .76" inner diameter. I took this photo before machining off the radius at the barrel step, you can sorta make it out:

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Next, I re-tinned the argentine journal. It was not tinned in many areas, just where the rear sight base made contact. I also tinned it over a longer surface.

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I also tinned the inner diameter of the sleeve. You'll notice the sleeve is now machined down closer to final dimension. It's still about 10 thou too big everywhere and will be machined to final size on the barrel, in case it solders on slightly off centre.

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Now it's soldered on and needs to cool. If you do this project, the sleeve should not go on all the way when cold once tinned. If it does, you machined the ID too big. It should start on, but it should only slide home once you heat it enough that the two tinned surfaces liquify. Use a thin coat of flux on the barrel shank to help the two surfaces fuse. I add more lead solder to the top until I see it come out the seam at the bottom. I then let the bottom cool a little and add a bit more at the top to fill any remaining joint gaps. It will get cleaned up later when we machine the sleeve to final dimension.

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Set up for soldering:

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You'll notice the sleeve heat blued. No big deal. These barrels are not hardened anyhow and the germans heated them with Oxo Acetylene to install the rear sight bases at the factory. It will be in the white again once we turn it to size.

It's cooling now, more photos when I'm further along :)
 
Interesting. Are you making a replica of one of the Argentine trial rifles from the 1920's?

No, nothing so precise. Externally the resulting rifle will look like a standard mid-war german K98k, but will be chambered in 7.65x53 just because I like the calibre. I may make it into an SSR if it turns out be be a good shooter.

It's looking like I'll be using a scrubbed Romanian VZ24 action as the basis for the build and I have a yugo capture mid-war laminate stock to use in the build.

Just figured you guys might like to see some of the machine work involved.
 
I have some errands to run, but I made a little progress. Machined in the shoulder and turned the journal to final dimensions. Next I need to machine the journal to length and add a small journal that matches the handguard inner diameter.

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Similar project on the go - VZ24/Israeli action, Brazilian 7.62mm barrel (as used on M968), 1924 pattern stock. Has the longer handguard than the K98K, so the rear of the barrel will have to be sleeved for a rear sight.
 
Got my barrel re-countoured and the old bluing sanded off. Next I need to install it on a receiver to index the sight bases.

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I should have took a photo, but the foremost narrow section of the barrel is freshly cut/contoured on the lathe. On a long Mauser barrel, the reduced diameter happens further out than where a K98k barrel ends.

Should work nicely.
 
Grrrr.... I just realized my project is temporarily snookered :(

I just mocked up my K98 stock on the barrel... except the stock didn't fit. It turns out the stock I got from trades has been shortened 1" at the front of the stock, the bayonet lug was set back, as well as the cleaning rod keeper.

I can't blame Tradex as I went there in person and select this stock. It looked great. The difference in length is not obvious until you try to install a barrelled action. So the handguard they sold me with it is too long, and when I install it on a gun, it looks too short and sorta funny (not good).

So now I need a replacement cupped buttplate laminate stock, minus hardware and handguard. :(

Guess I will now have to start looking :(
 
just wack an inch of the barrel . I won’t tell anyone. weren’t they issued to the special Bosnian mountain troops.
 
Fun little project, have you tried to get another stock from trade ex?

I looked through 25 stocks when I was there. Most were really rough, many had split tangs with wrist bolt repairs. The one I grabbed was cosmetically the nicest, but I did not notice it was shortened. The difference in length is under 1" and it frankly was not obvious without a barrelled action to try and drop into the wood. In retrospect, I did notice the cleaning rod nut was set back a little and I thought maybe it was an earlier stock converted from 10.25" rod to 12.5" rod. Of course, it's not set back near far enough for that, but I missed it at the time.

Many of the stocks had similarly set back nuts, so I'm guessing many (most or all?) of the 25 or so they allowed me to look at were similarly modified. They have reams of these, but were only willing to wheel out one rack of them to pick though. The pickings were very slim.

Doing some online digging, these stocks might have been on M98/48 guns which are apparently a yugo crested scrubbed german K98k fitted with a M48 barrel and a slightly shortened stock as the yugo barrels are a little shorter. Trade should really be sorting them and disclosing which ones are shortened vs original length. Probably the same issue will be present in the Lever Arms stocks.
 
Update on progress.

The barrel is installed on a VZ24 action, and the sights were soldered on. Also, the set screw divots are drilled in the barrel and the screws installed. Sorry for the lack of pics doing the work, I had to go to my buddy's shop as he has a nice OA torch, which is better for precise soldering of the sight bases, which need to be indexed with parallel bars.

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Before I cleaned up the solder overflow.

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Front sight before cleanup:

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VZ24 bolt handle bent to close approximation of military K98k bent bolt profile (before cleanup). I don't do these myself. I go to Gunco in Ottawa as Jason has the right jig and the right torch to spot-heat the bolt root to d this bend without too much heat getting over into the bolt body. I don't recommend a bolt bend as a do-it-yourself job. Go see a gunsmith.

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The receiver I used. note I changed the 4 scallop action screws for 3 scallop K98k screws. Apart from markings, these receivers are identical to WW2 German receivers and are really well made. I scrapped a scrubbed Romanian RC VZ24 for this action.

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Clearly marked so nobody tries to shoot .308 or 8mm in this rifle. That would not be a great idea.

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Bolt re-numbered at the root, as the electro-penciled SN on the RC bolt was destroyed when I sanded the scale off the bolt handle post-bend.

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And a complete shot of progress to date:

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Great work so far, can't wait to see it with the stock on. Has anyone tried to make a 7.62x39 version of a k98?

It's doable but you need a thick magazine spacer and the bolt throw ends up fairly long. Making the barrel into a k98k contour would be similar to what I did.
 
I got around to using this barrel and finishing my project :) So now I have a reasonable replica of a mid-war SSR Type 3 sniper rifle, but in 7.65x53 Argentine. Because... why not? :)

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No nice rifles were harmed in this project. It's a scrubbed VZ24 action, WW2 German Steyr bolt, 1909 Argentine barrel (heavily modified), Accounts Type 3 SSR mount, late 1940's Hesoldt Dialytan 4X scope, orphan Yugo Capture stock from Tradex, Israeli surplus K98k sights and sight hood, and a WW2 German sling.

While made from a hodge lodge of parts, it's put together very well and should give me many years of great service :)
 
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