Aluminum Funnels

H4831 said:
I told it like it was, so if your going to quote me, stick to what I said.
And I stick to what I said. 110 volt house current kills a lot of people every year. Actually, more than all other voltages combined. Anyone with rubber soled shoes on a wet basement floor that lets the upper body contact a bare house current line will be killed.
Come on, you professional electricians, where are you?
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Not arguing your safety bulletin, but I still don't get how you go there from the original thread topic of plastic funnels. LMAO!
 
1-trident-1 said:
I predict a flaming post.
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I by passed your resistor when I stated house current, bare wire. House current is 110 volts and bare wire means not reduced voltage.
 
kamlooky said:
Awwwwwwww Mr. H., heez jest gift'in yewse a wee bit oh statick......................me thinks.
Jest ground'im ouwt.
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When I read this my first thought was, "OK, if you don't believe what I wrote, then go stand on a wet basement floor with rubber soled shoes and grab a bare wire house current. But WHOA, you're much too nice of a guy to die so young. DON'T DO IT. Maybe try having rubber soled shoes on and grab an electric fence! That should convince you.
 
Ok. Better just go with it.
Years ago I watched 2 guys building a dock. They were both standing in water up to their waste. One guy was cutting lumber with a skill saw. The cord was laying in the water. The plug-in was laying on the bottom of the lake 3 feet from the guy and the saw seemed to work fine and he wasn't shaking or anything. Just building his dock and whistling. I always wondered how that worked.
 
It's called capacitance and it allows ac current to flow through non electrical material, in particular rubber shoes. You can google electrical capacitance to see why this happens.

You are correct about capacitance however if we are talking about a concrete floor the effect is very small. On 1 side of the electrical circuit there is the earth underneath the concrete. The neutral side of your 110 volt system is connected to this. On the line side there is the person holding the bare wire. In between is the human body, rubber soles, water and concrete. By far the reactance of this circuit will be the concrete. If you assume a 6" layer of concrete and say 120 sq inches of shoe area you can calculate the value of the capacitor so formed with the concrete as the dielectric. It is about 20 pico farads. At 60hz the reactance of this capacitor is 132 megohms and at 110 volts it will pass 0.9 micro amps. While it varies from person to person, it takes about 1 millamp of ac current to be able to even feel it. That is at least 1000 times more than you would get from the capacitive effect. The resistance of the human body is thousands of time less than 132 megohms so while you may get a lethal dose from what you are describing it does not come from the capacitive effect.

Ground fault detectors are set to trip at a few micro amps. I poured water on my concrete floor and connected the line side of the receptacle to the pool of water. Does not trip the ground fault detector so there is very little leakage through concrete even when wet.
 
ipscgraz said:
Coleman used to make aluminum funnels for filling the naptha-fueled lanterns etc. Some time in the last 40 years they changed design and have a cloth filter in them now. I think it would come out easily and work well.
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I have one of the old aluminium funnels, they do work well.
 
Hitting the sauce hard tonight?

Let us get back to where you can buy Aluminum Funnels. ;)



H4831 said:
I told it like it was, so if your going to quote me, stick to what I said.
And I stick to what I said. 110 volt house current kills a lot of people every year. Actually, more than all other voltages combined. Anyone with rubber soled shoes on a wet basement floor that lets the upper body contact a bare house current line will be killed.
Come on, you professional electricians, where are you?
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I had reason to talk to a farmer. Called and the lady said he was at his pig pen. Drove to his farm but the police had the barn yard barricaded with police tape. The man was killed at his pig pen with 110 volt house power, while working on, or with, some type of electrical pump.
The final report stated he was wearing knee high rubber boots, but must have touched the bare 110 volt house power with his hand.
 
H4831 said:
I had reason to talk to a farmer. Called and the lady said he was at his pig pen. Drove to his farm but the police had the barn yard barricaded with police tape. The man was killed at his pig pen with 110 volt house power, while working on, or with, some type of electrical pump.
The final report stated he was wearing knee high rubber boots, but must have touched the bare 110 volt house power with his hand.
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WTF!? LMOA! And, as a personal aside from the original thread, thanks for the laughs! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
I have found some smaller metal funnels at Princess Auto in the past. they are stainless. They may or may not work for your purpose. The easiest way is to walk into a store if possible. I do not see what I have on their web page.
 
This is the kind of thing that amazes me about the everyday LGS. I'd love to have a couple metal funnels, why are gun shops stocking the plastic crap. I walk by them everytime I'm in a store.

I'd be surprised if generic funnels will work. They're stepped inside to fit a cartridge, They have to be shaped just right or they don't work. I know because I just made one to fit .17 cal and it was a pain!
 
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