American hunter and BC guide caught poaching in Yukon.

Ardent said:
It's not a great job, it's a tough one and not reliable for raising a family for most. I'm interested, what species do you have enough experience on to guide, and what area? More meat is wasted by the general public hunter in his freezer than the average guiding operation. I know a few guides myself, this is a small industry we're talking, who are the guys you know bending rules? Good chance I'll know who you're talking about feel free to PM.

I worry you're painting a vital industry for our sport with a broad, misunderstood brush. Without the guide outfitting industry hunting in BC (and elsewhere) wouldn't have a shadow of the recognition and positive attention it gets. The large industry has made it valuable for the province. I'm not calling you out, but talk like this gets on my nerves and wreaks of misunderstanding, I have close ties to the hunting industry and this kind of vague, undirected and unexplained slander gets my back up.
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while my lack of on the ground knowledge of some areas terrain wise may put me at a disadvantage, I would be quite in my element as a full time guide, meat or trophy, for moose, mule deer and especially trophy coastal blacktails...... and then there is fishing..... if it swims in BC ..... well we could have days of discussion and camp fire stories on that one. I've ran west coast charters, steelhead and salmon river fishing courses and guiding, and on and on.
the ex-guide I'm referring to is one of my best friends sons. there is NO doubt that group of guys will come across my posts here.
his buddies offered me an entry position with their group and after so many years associating...... I turned them down based on what I have seen and heard.
this is not me painting the entire industry with that brush, if I was, I would certainly say exactly that as it is in my character to say whatever the hell I want and let the chips fall where they may :D
my comments , in their entirety , are directed at the bad apples in the hunting and fishing guiding industry (of which I know some) and for the purposes of this thread..... the guide/hunter convicted in the article posted by the OP.
excuse the sh*t out of me if that offends a couple people here who feel the need to question my "credibility" LOL

hmmmm but I could expand and rant about how the GOABC ran point on getting the ministry to muck with the region 5 mulie hunt, closing the best times of the rut for regular hunters in November. There's buttloads of deer but I guess a couple guiding territories are all shot out of trophys so let's close it for everyone region wide........ LOL ya I'm just stirring the pot a little :D
 
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Ardent said:
200lbs of meat produced from a Sheep, a Caribou, and a Moose... Bet this wasn't the first time either, just the first he was caught. The American likely had no idea he was so far in the wrong, though he should have had a serious inkling. Overall just sad as this gets plastered on all hunters when the nation reads it. On the bright side, hopefully it's a deterent.

Sad fact is, that caribou left to rot actually contributed to nature. All the meat that gets cut and wrapped, goes home to freezer burn for four years before being thrown out when the deep freeze quits one day does nothing but make methane in the dump. This is NOT to say what happened is in any way OK, just that literally tons of meat is wasted legally too. But I digress... Couldn't tell you how many hunters I know with a freezer burnt two hundred pounds sitting in the garage.
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I wish I had their problems..............I'm on my last lbs of ground venison. I hate actually buying meat at a store!
 
Ardent said:
Me too, I think most of us here suffer the supermarket meat isle let down feeling.

Thomas, I'm interested to see what he'll think of what's said here in that case.
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why would we care what a law breaker thinks of what I've posted here?? I find it awfully strange and quite discouraging that I (among others) post a comment that expresses deep disdain for guides and hunters breaking laws , yet I alone become the 'target' by a couple guys here who I can only assume are associated with or in the guiding business.
I also find it quite discouraging that some guys are so record book hungry that they can't eat 200lbs of game meat in a year. if I knew guys like that I would call THEM out on it instead of post padding here by trying to find some issue with what I posted.
LOL the internet truly cracks me up sometimes.
 
Friend of mine has already whacked two fat black bears in the past two weeks. Hmmm, burger and chops .

Moose and caribou hunt on for my sweetheart and I in ten days! We climbed a mountain this evening just for fun....

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Friend of mine has already whacked two fat black bears in the past two weeks. Hmmm, burger and chops .

Moose and caribou hunt on for my sweetheart and I in ten days! We climbed a mountain this evening just for fun....

Ted
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hmmmmm bear burgers :D
we went up to 3750ft elevation this evening putting the glass on two 5x5s and a 5x6 mulie buck.... opening day in 10 days :rockOn:
 
Several have been asking about this, so to get back on track....copied and pasted from page 30 of the Yukon hunting regulations synopsis:

"Waste of Meat or Fur

It is unlawful to waste the meat from a game bird, small game animal or big game animal, other than a bear, wolf, coyote, wolverine or furbearers. (If a small game animal or game bird is delivered to a taxidermist to be mounted, the waste of meat provisions of the Wildlife Act do not apply.)

Meat is considered to be wasted when part of an animal that is reasonably suitable for human consumption is:

fed to dogs or other domestic animals

abandoned

destroyed or allowed to spoil

used for bait

left in the field without being properly dressed and cared for to prevent the meat from being scavenged or spoiled

Meat includes the neck and rib meat, the two front quarters down to the lower leg joint, the two hind quarters down to the hock, the backstraps and the tenderloins.

It does not include the head, hide or viscera.

Successful hunters are required to take all of the meat from the kill site to the departure point (the place where it will be transported from the field) before taking the horns or antlers of the animal to that point. If all the meat is to be transported at once, horns or antlers may be taken with that meat, or horns or antlers may be taken with the last load of meat.

Any meat left behind once the horns or antlers are removed from the kill site is considered abandoned.

It is unlawful to allow the hide or pelt of a bear, coyote, wolverine or wolf to be wasted."


So, the meat must be taken out before the trophy, and you need to make as many trips as required with an airplane, ATV, horses, backpack, or whatever, to retrieve all the edible meat from any animal taken. Both the guide and the hunter are responsible to know and understand the regs before hunting. In fact, the guide is required to report any violations.

As well, the use of a helicopter to assist a hunter in any way is prohibited, except in the case of emergencies.



Last year we needed two trips with a Beaver on floats, at $825 per trip, to get the meat from two moose and two caribou out. Worked out to about a buck a pound. :) Then, two more trips for six people, gear, and our camp.

Ted
 
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Ardent said:
Something tells me you'll be 100 before you guys slow down Ted. I still think of that Caribou SuperCub did with you, we have Caribou, but not the size of yours!

Angus
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They aren't all quite that big, as you know, but they all taste good! ;)

Even those big old mountain caribou bulls, as long as they are not in the rut, are very good meat.

Ted
 
Caribou gets a bad rap for reasons I don't understand in northern BC- I like it as Caribou aren't very tolerant of human activity, so the areas they come from are very "clean". :)

Picked up this shed this spring, for around here, an impressive boy. A shadow of your Yukon mountain brutes just a hop skip and a jump north.

 
Why not? said:
Several have been asking about this, so to get back on track....copied and pasted from page 30 of the Yukon hunting regulations synopsis:

"Waste of Meat or Fur

It is unlawful to waste the meat from a game bird, small game animal or big game animal, other than a bear, wolf, coyote, wolverine or furbearers. (If a small game animal or game bird is delivered to a taxidermist to be mounted, the waste of meat provisions of the Wildlife Act do not apply.)

Meat is considered to be wasted when part of an animal that is reasonably suitable for human consumption is:

fed to dogs or other domestic animals

abandoned

destroyed or allowed to spoil

used for bait

left in the field without being properly dressed and cared for to prevent the meat from being scavenged or spoiled

Meat includes the neck and rib meat, the two front quarters down to the lower leg joint, the two hind quarters down to the hock, the backstraps and the tenderloins.

It does not include the head, hide or viscera.

Successful hunters are required to take all of the meat from the kill site to the departure point (the place where it will be transported from the field) before taking the horns or antlers of the animal to that point. If all the meat is to be transported at once, horns or antlers may be taken with that meat, or horns or antlers may be taken with the last load of meat.

Any meat left behind once the horns or antlers are removed from the kill site is considered abandoned.

It is unlawful to allow the hide or pelt of a bear, coyote, wolverine or wolf to be wasted."


So, the meat must be taken out before the trophy, and you need to make as many trips as required with an airplane, ATV, horses, backpack, or whatever, to retrieve all the edible meat from any animal taken. Both the guide and the hunter are responsible to know and understand the regs before hunting. In fact, the guide is required to report any violations.

As well, the use of a helicopter to assist a hunter in any way is prohibited, except in the case of emergencies.



Last year we needed two trips with a Beaver on floats, at $825 per trip, to get the meat from two moose and two caribou out. Worked out to about a buck a pound. :) Then, two more trips for six people, gear, and our camp.

Ted
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What would the proper action to take if one was out fishing and hooked into an illegal fish and in the process of hook removal/capturing the fish, it is is serverly injured. If it's kept your a poacher if it's reliested it's wasting
 
tylerjwitty said:
What would the proper action to take if one was out fishing and hooked into an illegal fish and in the process of hook removal/capturing the fish, it is is serverly injured. If it's kept your a poacher if it's reliested it's wasting
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it's gotta be released regardless. all care must be taken when handling fish to be released. when ever possible keep it in the water and not in a net or dragged up on the beach.
mortally wounded fish that are released according to the regs won't be wasted, nature will make good use of it ;)
 
tylerjwitty said:
The same could said for anything shot and left . Buzzards and yotes eat .seems like a law made to fine any Hunter at wardens desire.
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Not at all.

You just plan and hunt legally to bring out all the meat; the neck and rib meat, the two front quarters down to the lower leg joint, the two hind quarters down to the hock, the backstraps and the tenderloins.

It's simple, and everyone I know that hunts here does so. Most also bring out the heart, liver, and kidneys! :)

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Ted
 
tylerjwitty said:
The same could said for anything shot and left . Buzzards and yotes eat .seems like a law made to fine any Hunter at wardens desire.
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When businesses fly or horseback in to remote areas to kill TROPHY animals, The costs incurred to fly or pack out everything is what causes some folks to leave behind what the law says they MUST pack out. Even if that means adding several thousand dollars in travel to ensure this happens.
If you have the cash to pay for such trips... You should absolutely have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
I don't think there is a level headed guy amongst us that could argue that point.
 
guido said:
Here's another.
http://whitehorsestar.com/News/fined-guide-truly-embarrassed-and-ashamed
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I shouldn't have used the word "systemic" in my original post eh? Ya bullsh*te. An experienced guide with is own business guiding for someone else and he allows 2 hunters to shoot at animals inside a HWY no shooting area??
Wow... Now that is truly a pathetic example of a "guide"
If I was the judge, that guy would lose his business, his hunting privledges for 10 years and maybe let's triple those fines.
Ridiculous
 
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