American Mosin Nagants?

[MiG25]

I would certainly be interested in knowing what the defects were given the relatively advanced state of US metalworking compared to Russian.

are any of the russian made mosin nagants considered unsafe to shoot? what about low numbered springfields? and the remington made berthiers?

 

[MD]

"How is it a Finnish M39 when it was made in the United States from Westinghouse? I'd say it's a M91 Infantry model. I'll wait till I get some pictures."

Because the Finns never made receivers but used what they got from Russia one way or the other to make their rifles.

 

[Val_C]

I would certainly be interested in knowing what the defects were given the relatively advanced state of US metalworking compared to Russian. In addition, the mosin is a anvil compared to a lever gun so it would be interesting to see what "repairs" the arsenals did to them. Resighting maybe but anything else sounds like political crap to me.

I was able to find some info in Russian here: htt p://ww1.iatp.org.ua/usamosin91.htm

Westinghaus and Remington were not really ready to start mass production of Mosins because of lack of proper technological process for this particular rifle; as result contractors supplied to Russia only 9% and 12% of ordered rifles up to January 1917 (Remington and Westinghause respectively) even after contract due dates were shifted for half year.

In the article some original docs quoted which say that hex receivers and trigger guards had sharp surfaces which cut fingers, a lot of feeding problems caused by weak magazine spring and rough surfaces of actions.
Remington was close to bankruptcy and actually asked Russian government to take factory under its management or even relocate all facilities to Russia.

In Feb 1917 quality problems were solved but First Russian revolution broke up .
The rest of US rifles were bought out from manufacturers by US gov. for $3 per rifle.

Actually very interesting and informative article.

 

[skirsons]

I just recently took my 1915 Westinghouse to the range and shot 10 rounds through it.. Worked great..

I didn't consider the fact that it is too long to fit in the back of my Yaris so it has to sit behind the front seats. I don't want any police trouble so I am going to have to sell it and buy a short nagant like an M44.

 

[Calum]

I just recently took my 1915 Westinghouse to the range and shot 10 rounds through it.. Worked great..

I didn't consider the fact that it is too long to fit in the back of my Yaris so it has to sit behind the front seats. I don't want any police trouble so I am going to have to sell it and buy a short nagant like an M44.

Make sure it is unloaded, and put a blanket over it and your good to go.
transporting behind the front seats is totally legal.

Put a trigger lock on it if you plan to walk away from the vehicle for a while.

 

[skirsons]

Oh really?? That's good news. I really like it.

I always have it in a case (a canvas case) so it was never visible. I just tought with it being within reach that might be a problem.

Because nothing says "drive by" like a 5 foot long, 100 year old rifle.

What would I yell as I am gunning down my gang enemies?

"Viva la revolution!!"?

 

[desporterizer]

Damm, too bad that article is in Russian, it would be the first real evidence of flaws in the US mosins I have seen. Tried the link but could not find the server came up. All the US parts I have personally examined where first rate but of course are not in their original state. I think Andy has a bannerman but that would have been a later production example.

 

[Calum]

Oh really?? That's good news. I really like it.

I always have it in a case (a canvas case) so it was never visible. I just tought with it being within reach that might be a problem.

Refer to the Non-restricted PAL course manual under transport, and storage.

Because nothing says "drive by" like a 5 foot long, 100 year old rifle.

What would I yell as I am gunning down my gang enemies?

"Viva la revolution!!"?

Hehehe. Take back the streets comrade!

 

[PerversPépère]

Damm, too bad that article is in Russian, it would be the first real evidence of flaws in the US mosins I have seen. Tried the link but could not find the server came up. All the US parts I have personally examined where first rate but of course are not in their original state. I think Andy has a bannerman but that would have been a later production example.

It wasn't only a problem of rough finish; one of the main gripes was maintaining tolerances or lack thereof.
The usual test was to disassemble 10 randomly picked Mosins, mix the parts and rebuild ten rifles with them.
Then the rifles were tested for repeatability, operation, headspace and accuracy.
This was to insure that field armorers be capable of refitting rifles on the spot with very little problems. Ever had heaspacing problems with a Mosin?
The first US-made Mosin did not meet these criterions and inspectors sent to the US had problems to get what they wanted.
When Communists took over control, they put an end to the Czar's contracts. Most of the remaining US Mosins were kept as training rifles, sold to civilians or sent to the Finns to help them titillate the Russian Bear's mustache...
The Finns lost no time turning these in useful fighting tools.
By any means, buy them before someone with a hacksaw gets creative...
PP.

 

[mbogo3]

Some rifles were delivered to Archangel and the US sent soldiers to get them back before they fell into Communist hands then they were sold on the civilian market.The Win 95 lever action was chambered [full length stock with bayonet lug] for the 7.62X54R for the Czar when they ran short of guns.Harold