Ammo for Gew88

Atlantis actually was well after the various languages had begun developing separately, something around the period 1600 - 1300 BC. Check the eruption of Thera, in the Santorini Group off the coast of Greece. Or just read the description in Exodus: pillar of fire at night, pillar of smoke by day.

Go to your local secondhand bookstore and pick up a copy of Poul Anderson's "The Dancer from Atlantis". Just fantasy fiction, you might say, but check out the copyright date. Anderson's theory now is accepted but, of course, nobody gives credit. Everybody knows that Anderson just wrote cheap fiction. Good story, too.
 
These lovely old rifles are sighted now for the JS load that came out in 1904: 154-grain flatbase spitzer bullet at just a hair short of 2900 ft/sec MV.

You can pretty much duplicate this at far lower pressures with modern powders. Try the Hornady 150 spirepoint flatbase, seat it out just a tad, so you can see the cannelure plainly. Both mine really like this bullet. Lotsa funs!

Enjoy!
 
OK I am still learning about his fasinating piece, are all Turk rifles stamped with a cresant moon in the receiver? As you can see from the pics my receiver is lacking the moon stamp, the rear sight is in Arabic numerals, does this make my rifle rarer than most? Most of the research that I have come across states that the g88 turk rifle are rare??? Please feel free to add any info to this post for me thanks RF.
 
I can't comment on whether a 88 Turk rifle is rare as I believe that is the most common Gewehr 88 you will find out there. The one variant I can imagine being rare is the Tufek 1935 modified Gewehr 88s.

What I have seen is that Gewehr 88s that were given to the Turks during WW1 were not re-worked to have their recievers blued and will retain their German originality (receiver in the white, German acceptance marks, receiver proofs and manufacture with date still present). You will normally see the rear sight re-stamped with Arabic numerals and will generally encounter a Turkish marked bolt with Z's in a circle. These are Czech replacement bolts that the Turks ordered in the 1920s to replace the ones that the British took out and never put back.

Gewehr 88s that received an arsenal re-work in the late 1920s, early 1930s had their receivers blued and the Turkish arsenal stamp put on the receiver and the Turkish crescent moon and sometimes the date. Sometimes the date will be present, sometimes not. Many of the parts were re-blued or had bluing added except for the bolt. These also have the Arabic/Turkish style numerals scrubbed off and the newly adopted Western arabic style of numbers and re-stamped.

Finally, the final Turkish variation of the Turkish modified Gewehr 88s would be the Turfek 1935 where the Gewehr 88 would be converted to resemble the Turkish model 1903 then anything else but still retain the same action, bolt, and magazine system of the 88/05. Many of the German proofs are removed at this point but sometimes not all. The Turkish arsenal that performed the modification will generally be stamped on the receiver along with the date with the original German marks sometimes being removed. Many of these also recieved new barrels with a bore diameter of .311 land and .323 groove but it is always safe to slug the bore.

Again, this is what I have noticed in books and what I have seen online.

My 88/05 was one of many given to the Turks and, although the exterior may look worn and used, the barrel is the original one from 1890 and looks like brand new. I am very eager to take it to the range. It is also one of the ones that was not re-worked and still retains all of the German markings and acceptance marks. Better yet, the unit marked rear band matches and it is a real plus to me. I will post a few images showing the receiver and rifle in general to give you an idea of a Gewehr 88 that was not re-worked at the Turkish arsenal level.

In the end it comes down to what the Turks were able to re-work first, probably simply grabbing the nearest Gewehr 88. They had hundreds of thousands of them in stock I bet and some were overlooked as others were picked for re-work. This would explain how you will find Gewehr 88s similar to yours and mine and others that have gone the full course of re-work to resemble a Model 1903. There is a Turfek 1935 on the EE if you ever wanted to see what one looks like. A really beautiful conversion IMO and something on my want list should my gun cabinet ever expand.
 
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Excellent post Nabs thanks. You were right before about the Czech bolt, mine does have the Z in a O stamp. Could you post a pic showing what a unit marking is? On the butt plate of mine it says 11 K (11th Kompany?). I'll post some more pics also. RF
 
I have a what you call a Turfek 1935 (what I have also seen called a gew 88/05/35) and I would part with it for sure if anyone was interested.
 
Alright, here are some shots of my 88/05 that can give you a brief look at what I was mentioning before. I have also attached an image of my S.71 bayonet (an apparently common companion with the Gewehr 88s) that shows how unit marks were canceled. Canceled unit markings on an 88 typically have "X"s put on top of them (very similar to refurbished SKS stocks). My 88/05 was issued to the 95th Infantry Regiment Recruit Depot, weapon number 325. According to my research into the marking and how the unit markings were stamped in 1890, this would have been the first assignment this 88 had and, considering the band matches the rifle and it has not been canceled out, suggests that even after being converted to 1905 specifications, it went back to the Recruit depot. Unit markings (after 1895 I think) were stamped on the nose cap first then on the rear band (and it gets kind of confusing too) and finally, if the nose cap and rear band have canceled out unit markings, a unit marking would have been stamped on the left receiver wall (though I haven't come across any of these yet).

The rear sight also matches the rifle and it is interesting to see how they re-stamped the calibrations. This rear sight would have been re-stamped three times (once for the Patrone 88 rounds, a second time for the upgrade to Spitzer, and finally to Turkish Arabic numerals between 1916 an 1928).

The floor plate that covers the bottom of the magazine was made during the same year and by the same maker (E.P.Lehman Patentwerk) as yours. Mine does not have the dimples though.

As for your marking on your butt plate, I have seen a few instances where the unit number was stamped on the butt plate (a very unorthodox procedure as it apparently was not allowed but seemed to occur for one reason or another), would you have a picture handy ?

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88/05 pics

Here are some more pics of my G88/05

Rear sight reground for "S" patrone(?)
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Bolt showing Turk and Czech "Z in a O" markings
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Butt plate showing markings
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Markings forward of magazine assy.
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There are no unit markings on my barrel bands.
 
Very nice! If you use this guide, you can translate the Turkish arabic on the bolt out to numbers and see if any of your Czech bolt pieces are matching. Mine was a complete mis-match.

I believe your rear sight was re-stamped atleast four times, one extra time then mine, nothing wrong with it, perfectly normal for your type of Gewehr 88. Makes it easier to read too!

The markings on the butt plate look like sub contractor marks of some kind, I have similar ones on a butt plate for my 1905 Danzig Gewehr 98. I'm not 100% sure but it is a best guess. They do not look like unit markings to me.

I have some interesting marks just forward of my trigger guard assembly as well. If I remember correctly, there is a letter "A" stamped in there.

It is interesting to see that the Turks blued just about everything that was un-blued, even the magazine well blocks!

Would you have an overall shot of the rifle handy, I'd be interested in seeing it along with the receiver.
 
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