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There was a batch of CBC ammunition that had some real problems. If this ammunition is out of this particular batch, it should NOT be fired. In any rifle.
Made in Brazil, but reprocessed somewhere else, and some of the lot wound up with pistol powder in it.
Is it boxed? The information on the packaging is important. Ask Ganderite for specific information.
Made in Brazil, but reprocessed somewhere else, and some of the lot wound up with pistol powder in it.
Is it boxed? The information on the packaging is important. Ask Ganderite for specific information.
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Yes I remember that CBC ammo, it was distributed by Century Arms/International Firearms (formerly of Montreal). If you see a ink stamp with either of those names on the boxes, do not fire this ammo. Unfortunately, it has been to long, I do not remember the Lot Numbers on the case or boxes.
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Certain "Surplus" Cartridges Dangerous
That toll-free number is no longer operative (2007) but it had been answered in the San Francisco, California offices of Brobeck, Phelger & Harrison where CBC had been represented in this matter.Companhia Brasileria de Cartuchos, CBC, says its 7.62mm x 51mm cartridges from lots dated 1975 pose serious safety risks because of excessive pressures. The cartridges, headstamped "CBC 7.62 75", should not be used, given away or sold under any circumstances. There have been reports of rifles bursting as a result of the excessive pressure. An independent testing lab detected peak pressures in excess of 130,000 CUP, in one of 20 of the cartridges it tested. CBC calls these rounds outdated.
The particular round was manufactured solely for military use in several countries. They are not intended for civilian use at all.
CBC also has issued a warning for any of its 7.62mm x 51mm cartridges from any year which have a label on the packing material with the Spanish word "reengastada." The label was not affixed by the manufacturer and its application to ammunition is unclear.
If you have any ammunition with the 1975 headstamp or with the Spanish word, contact CBC at 800-742-1094.
– Originally published by the author, un-bylined, in the 1 June 1992 Firearms Business.
According to the attorney, Gary Fergus, on point at the time they were contacted in Spring 1992, the suspect "CBC 7.62 75" cartridges had been involved in 83 catastrophic failures of small arms ranging from numerous M1A/M14 rifles to machine guns such as Kent Lomont's M1919A4 and M2 "Ma Deuce," both of which were destroyed at the April 1992 Knob Creek meeting. He had obtained the rounds from Century International Arms.
In an interview by fax from Sao Paulo with CBC's President, Antonio Marcos Moraes Barros, it was learned that his company had originally manufactured those particular rounds on an Argentinean military contract. He was unable to provide any information about how the ammunition came to be made available to Century, which had imported the bulk of it, or Samco Global Arms, only that neither of those concerns had obtained it directly from CBC.
Brobeck, Phelger & Harrison closed its doors in 2003.
2009 Update
As recently as October 2009, rounds from the suspect "CBC 7.62 75" lot were still out there and causing catastrophic failures, most recently Columbus Day weekend in the NorthEast. The ammunition, 60 rounds of which had been purchased the previous month from a small gun shop in upstate New York, claimed a brand new Springfield M1A on its first shot out of the box.
Century International Arms, which had originally sold the CBC rounds to the gun shop in 1991, has so far been responsive to the unhappy M1A owner, and this report will be updated.
I bought and reloaded several hundred thousands of that ammo. Some of it was contaminated with pistol powder. The ammo in question had ball rifle powder and was contaminated with ball pistol power. Unless you have a real good microscope, you cannot tell good from bad.
If you have ammo all in origianl packaging, and if you pull some samples and it is all loaded with a stick power, it is safe to shoot.
The Regenstrada ammo (or whatever that stamped word was) involved mixing ammo from a number of different lots, so there will be both stick and ball powder in the same box. Unless you are into real Russian roulette, do not shoot that re-labled mixed ammo.
You can pull the bullets and reload with fresh powder. The primers are excellent and the brass can make excellent ammo. Once.
The lab that tested the ammo for Century blew up their pressure gun. The gun was capable of reading pressures up to 120,000, so they estimated pressures north of 180,000. They had separated out what they suspected was the pistol powder and loaded a round with it. It was. Don't try this at home....
If you have ammo all in origianl packaging, and if you pull some samples and it is all loaded with a stick power, it is safe to shoot.
The Regenstrada ammo (or whatever that stamped word was) involved mixing ammo from a number of different lots, so there will be both stick and ball powder in the same box. Unless you are into real Russian roulette, do not shoot that re-labled mixed ammo.
You can pull the bullets and reload with fresh powder. The primers are excellent and the brass can make excellent ammo. Once.
The lab that tested the ammo for Century blew up their pressure gun. The gun was capable of reading pressures up to 120,000, so they estimated pressures north of 180,000. They had separated out what they suspected was the pistol powder and loaded a round with it. It was. Don't try this at home....
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Light blue/teal box? ZV headstamp?
