Ammo shortage?

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Seems like there's always short on ammo now...
went to a few stores in town today and they are very low on ammo and prices are so high...

223s especially... so expensive now..
$295 a case of 500.....
9mm is lowest around town is 275...
 
reload your own. never have to worry about stores stock or thie prices. and i have noticed them to be a little higher than normal
 
There's a war going on, all the common ones are hard to find, add in the fact the Americans are scared Obama is going to ban handguns/AR's and they are on a buying spree....I know several guys who are stockpiling enough that their grandkids will be able to hit the range every day!
 
Last week the firearms and ammunition industry held a trade show in Las Vegas, Nevada (SHOT Show). We received information relevant to your needs about deliveries of both ball and duty ammunition.

As most of you are painfully aware, there have been serious shortages of ammunition during the last several years. This has caused missed training dates and duty ammunition to be left in magazines longer, and has curtailed amounts of product being issued. In Kiesler’s 37 years in business, the last 2+ years have been the most challenging to get ammunition to our customers.

There is some good news. Ammunition delivery dates of certain calibers and bullet weights have started to improve. Today Kiesler’s has some quantities of Federal American Eagle .223cal and Federal Lake City XM193 5.56mm in stock for immediate shipment. However, most pistol caliber delivery dates are all over the place. Federal 45HST duty ammunition is at a 12 month delivery with Speer Gold Dot not much better. Ball 9mm American Eagle and Speer Lawman are at least six months out, with some duty rounds in different bullet weights and velocities being longer or shorter. The 40S&W training round’s delivery has improved, but having any inventory in our warehouse for immediate shipment is probably not going to happen for a long time. ATK, who owns Federal, Speer, CCI and Force on Force advised us at the show that this problem is going to persist for the next 36 months. We’re not saying it will take a department three years to get delivery, but rather deliveries will be erratic for some time.

Remington has announced a 2-4% price increase effective April 1, 2010. ATK (Federal, Speer & CCI) are thus far holding the prices steady, but in today’s Wall Street Journal (Monday, January 25th), Barclays Capital is projecting copper prices for 2010 will rise 34% over 2009 prices. If they are correct, then prices will surely rise.

So, what is a cash-strapped ammunition user to do?

Suggestions

(1) Forecast, forecast, forecast. Keep ammunition on order as far out as your budget allows. It’s better to receive some or all of it early than not have it at all. If you receive 2010’s shipment and have the funds, order 2011’s.

(2) By buying or placing your orders now, the price is guaranteed, even if commodities such as copper, lead, zinc or antimony go up, or if the factory raises prices. Orders placed at today’s price are locked in at that price. Heads, you win – Tails, you win.

"Barclays Capital is bullish on copper, projecting that the average price will rise 34% this year from 2009." - FROM WSJ, 1/25/2010 SEE ATTACHED CHART.

(3) Accept partial shipments. Some large agencies may order eight or nine types of ammunition on one purchase order stating, “ship complete – no partials”. This is very troubling to the manufacturers we represent. If a department orders 400,000 rounds of 40S&W training ammo and two cases of shotgun shells, the entire order may be held up waiting for the shot shells. With inventory so tight, the 400,000 rounds may be shipped to another department that’s desperate. Put “will accept partial shipments” on your order – it will help.


This letter is for informational purposes. It is not a salesman’s gimmick. The shortage continues to be real, and the potential commodities price increase could be substantial. Should any of our customers need more information, I will be happy to answer your questions. My number is (800) 444-2950, ext. 128. If I’m out, you will get a call back. While Kiesler’s does not represent every ammunition manufacturer, it is a fair assumption that all companies are having similar problems.

Very Best Regards,
Douglas M. Kiesler
CEO
 
Last week the firearms and ammunition industry held a trade show in Las Vegas, Nevada (SHOT Show). We received information relevant to your needs about deliveries of both ball and duty ammunition.

As most of you are painfully aware, there have been serious shortages of ammunition during the last several years. This has caused missed training dates and duty ammunition to be left in magazines longer, and has curtailed amounts of product being issued. In Kiesler’s 37 years in business, the last 2+ years have been the most challenging to get ammunition to our customers.

There is some good news. Ammunition delivery dates of certain calibers and bullet weights have started to improve. Today Kiesler’s has some quantities of Federal American Eagle .223cal and Federal Lake City XM193 5.56mm in stock for immediate shipment. However, most pistol caliber delivery dates are all over the place. Federal 45HST duty ammunition is at a 12 month delivery with Speer Gold Dot not much better. Ball 9mm American Eagle and Speer Lawman are at least six months out, with some duty rounds in different bullet weights and velocities being longer or shorter. The 40S&W training round’s delivery has improved, but having any inventory in our warehouse for immediate shipment is probably not going to happen for a long time. ATK, who owns Federal, Speer, CCI and Force on Force advised us at the show that this problem is going to persist for the next 36 months. We’re not saying it will take a department three years to get delivery, but rather deliveries will be erratic for some time.

Remington has announced a 2-4% price increase effective April 1, 2010. ATK (Federal, Speer & CCI) are thus far holding the prices steady, but in today’s Wall Street Journal (Monday, January 25th), Barclays Capital is projecting copper prices for 2010 will rise 34% over 2009 prices. If they are correct, then prices will surely rise.

So, what is a cash-strapped ammunition user to do?

Suggestions

(1) Forecast, forecast, forecast. Keep ammunition on order as far out as your budget allows. It’s better to receive some or all of it early than not have it at all. If you receive 2010’s shipment and have the funds, order 2011’s.

(2) By buying or placing your orders now, the price is guaranteed, even if commodities such as copper, lead, zinc or antimony go up, or if the factory raises prices. Orders placed at today’s price are locked in at that price. Heads, you win – Tails, you win.

"Barclays Capital is bullish on copper, projecting that the average price will rise 34% this year from 2009." - FROM WSJ, 1/25/2010 SEE ATTACHED CHART.

(3) Accept partial shipments. Some large agencies may order eight or nine types of ammunition on one purchase order stating, “ship complete – no partials”. This is very troubling to the manufacturers we represent. If a department orders 400,000 rounds of 40S&W training ammo and two cases of shotgun shells, the entire order may be held up waiting for the shot shells. With inventory so tight, the 400,000 rounds may be shipped to another department that’s desperate. Put “will accept partial shipments” on your order – it will help.


This letter is for informational purposes. It is not a salesman’s gimmick. The shortage continues to be real, and the potential commodities price increase could be substantial. Should any of our customers need more information, I will be happy to answer your questions. My number is (800) 444-2950, ext. 128. If I’m out, you will get a call back. While Kiesler’s does not represent every ammunition manufacturer, it is a fair assumption that all companies are having similar problems.

Very Best Regards,
Douglas M. Kiesler
CEO

Not to mention the ton price of lead has doubled from last year. The retail price of ammo has been on a rise for what at least the last 5 years. I find it hard to believe how few people reload handgun ammo. I also find it hard to believe that most folks seldom buy more than they need for a given year of shooting. FS
 
So can we go to Target (or any store) and pre-order ammo to guarantee the same price for the next year or so?

If it is not in stock, we get to pay the current price, even if it goes up by the time it comes in?
 
So can we go to Target (or any store) and pre-order ammo to guarantee the same price for the next year or so?

If it is not in stock, we get to pay the current price, even if it goes up by the time it comes in?

Kiesler's is a US company (that DOES NOT sell retail ammunition, they only sell to LEO agencies and military clients).

.223 / 5.56 has actually gotten cheaper and easier to get in the US over the last number of months, however that doesn't translate into anything like good news for Canadian shooters... Call Target to find out what Target will do but they're at the mercy of the US manufacturers and dumbass DOS rules regulating ammo exports from the US just like the rest of us.
 
Seems like there's always short on ammo now...

NOW??!! Buddy, there has been a serious ammo shortage on since 2005. Things have improved noticeably in the last 6 months. If you are just catching on today, you don't shoot enough to worry about it.

"Barclays Capital is bullish on copper, projecting that the average price will rise 34% this year from 2009." - FROM WSJ, 1/25/2010 SEE ATTACHED CHART.

Barclay's is seriously out of touch with market sentiment, since just about everyone else is predicting a significant correction (speculator jargon for "crash") in the price of commodities in general, and copper in particular in the coming months. Since the price has already been falling for about 3 weeks now, I suspect the crash is already started, but isnot yet mainstream news.

Kiesler's is a US company (that DOES NOT sell retail ammunition, they only sell to LEO agencies and military clients).

Disagree. Kiesler's may label themselves a wholesale business, but they run a sizable ad in Shotgun News every month (or used to, in the not-to-distant past) that sells to anyone, and they operate a sizeable retail store in Jeffersonville, IN that I have been into and bought stuff at that did not ask for police ID at the door.
 
avoid big box stores. develop a relationship with your local small business, buy in bulk and pay cash. be willing to pay up front, and as mentioned above, plan ahead - it works for us consumers too. there's no long term shortage, it only seems that way if you want in NOW.
 
Disagree. Kiesler's may label themselves a wholesale business, but they run a sizable ad in Shotgun News every month (or used to, in the not-to-distant past) that sells to anyone, and they operate a sizeable retail store in Jeffersonville, IN that I have been into and bought stuff at that did not ask for police ID at the door.

Disagree all you like, but don't shoot the messenger... :)

Just passing along what they have (always had) posted on their web site

KIESLER'S said:
LAW ENFORECMENT AND MILITARY SALES ONLY KIESLER'S DOES NOT SELL TO OR DEAL WITH THE CIVILIAN MARKET, INDIVIDUALS, OR FFL DEALERS. KIESLER'S ONLY DEALS WITH, ISSUES QUOTES TO, AND SELLS TO FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS, RESERVE OFFICERS, AFFILIATED GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, US MILITARY, INDIVIDUAL MILITARY PERSONNEL, RETIRED MILITARY WITH RETIRED ID, AFFILIATED TRAINING FACILITIES, FIREFIGHTERS, EMS, PROSECUTERS, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.

http://www.kiesler.com/
 
What Keisler is saying is true for most LE Agencies who order specific ammo in bulk, they are all after the same ammo. The sporter will continue to get some ammo or the gun sales would collapse, one needs the other.
 
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