Ammo source for 14.5mm PTRD?
- Thread starter Threemorewishes
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Claven2 said:Even more so if you sell part of the run in the USA
I have never tried, but I would say any import permits would be refused by the ATF as DD. I have never seen 14.5 surplus in the US, even though APIT is legal.
Claven2 said:A 50K run would cost $10 per round? Wow. What about ordering just brass?
Also, I wonder if IVI could be talked into producing it domestically?
$10 easy for new 14.5. Look at what new production 50BMG costs. It is not your average deer cartridge. $10 is conservative. I just had them quote on 20X110HS for another project. 50K is the minimum run. We are talking about starting machinery at 2007 material and labour costs, not pulling a crate or two from a dusty combloc warehouse. Now if you want to talk 10 million rounds the price comes down.
$10 bucks a round? Insane! I guess you have to pay to play.
I can tell you one thing - for 50,000 rounds, $500,000 is balls out crazy. I work in the packaging industry, for a company that makes filling/packaging machinery, and I can tell you - a good (read: fast, expensive) filler will cost you in the range of $1 mil, installed. If you source the machinery from asia, the prices can be halved. I guess if the demand existed, there would be money to make setting up shop producing these things - or producing even just the brass.
Which brings up the next point - raw materials. With brass being a composite of copper and zinc, and copper prices being WAY up there as they are (due to hubbert's peak theory) I can't imagine producing new shells ANYWHERE would be cheap.
I can tell you one thing - for 50,000 rounds, $500,000 is balls out crazy. I work in the packaging industry, for a company that makes filling/packaging machinery, and I can tell you - a good (read: fast, expensive) filler will cost you in the range of $1 mil, installed. If you source the machinery from asia, the prices can be halved. I guess if the demand existed, there would be money to make setting up shop producing these things - or producing even just the brass.
Which brings up the next point - raw materials. With brass being a composite of copper and zinc, and copper prices being WAY up there as they are (due to hubbert's peak theory) I can't imagine producing new shells ANYWHERE would be cheap.
All the current production 14.5 mg ammuntion is steel cased. These things have more in common with light cannon rounds than rifle cartridges. Plain, inert ball bullets aren't used much in the MG loads. That means new tooling to make rifle grade projectiles, whether cored and jacketed, or turned from solid. Look at the cost of some of the big bore sporting rounds, like .577. $10 a shot would be very reasonable for new production rifle grade ammunition.
I recall an importer telling me a story that years ago, they thought they had located some 14.5 ball ammunition. When the shipment arrived, papered as ball, it turned out to be APIT. They imediately turned the shipment around, sent it back.
I recall an importer telling me a story that years ago, they thought they had located some 14.5 ball ammunition. When the shipment arrived, papered as ball, it turned out to be APIT. They imediately turned the shipment around, sent it back.
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$10 would be a bargain. I was happy to find it at $25 a round, and that was not everyday either. I would consider getting another PTRD if ammo was available at that price.
I have already suggest to CanAm that because the last batch of PTRD came out of Albania, that he look there for AP ammo.
As for turning a case from steel, I did that (once! ) It is very time consuming to do it by hand, rather than CNC. I popped one CCI35 50 BMG primer in it to prove it works, then sent it to MissingSomething for him to test further.
As for selling into the US, becuase of their Destructive Device rules, EACH ROUND of ammo imported into the US would be hit witha US$200 fee! And you guys think they have it so much better down there.
As for turning a case from steel, I did that (once! ) It is very time consuming to do it by hand, rather than CNC. I popped one CCI35 50 BMG primer in it to prove it works, then sent it to MissingSomething for him to test further.
As for selling into the US, becuase of their Destructive Device rules, EACH ROUND of ammo imported into the US would be hit witha US$200 fee! And you guys think they have it so much better down there.
Threemorewishes
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What's APIT?
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So, if you fellows that actually got some 14.5 don't mind my asking -- is there (or was there) actually source for it here in Canada?
But my problem was that I never saw anywhere it was even for sale at all. But it looks like some of you guys actually did have some ammo. Was it all just happening to be kicking around your basement for a decade, or did somewhere actually sell the stuff?
But my problem was that I never saw anywhere it was even for sale at all. But it looks like some of you guys actually did have some ammo. Was it all just happening to be kicking around your basement for a decade, or did somewhere actually sell the stuff?
