An Antique Percussion Double Shotgun - Value?

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Recently acquired a double made by Joseph Egg of No.1 Picadilly, London. Lockplate on both sides states "Inventor of Copper Caps". It's a 12 guage and condition would be rated as NRA "Fine" Intend to put this up on EE but am at a loss as to value. Any help appreciated. Regards

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Most ordinary percussion ml double shotguns seem to run in the $150 - $350 range.
I suspect that yours might be something special though, and that price range would not be relevant. Detailed description and photos would help. If the gun is a London Best in fine condition, it could be quite valuable.
 
Hmmmmmm. Doing some research for you today. Yours appears to be VERY like this one - http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/373579/shotgun-joseph-egg-london-circa-1830

There appears to be a pretty clear bulge on the port tube - or is that an artefact of the photography? If the former, that will reduce the value substantially. It is a very nice piece, with platinum inserts to the drum. Right now I'm putting a tentative date of around 1830-ish. This is a very interesting gun to see, as Joe claims invention of the copper percussion cap as you can see by the engraving on the lockplate, and this would have been one of the very first civilian applications of the invention - whoever actually invented it! As you can see, the whole shebang is clouded with rumour and counter-claim -

Joshua Shaw, an English-born American, is sometimes credited with the development of the first metallic percussion cap in 1814, but his claim remains clouded with controversy as he did not patent the idea until 1822. Shaw’s percussion caps used a mixture of fulminate of mercury, chlorate of potash, and ground glass contained in a small metallic cup. Other possible claimants include François Prélat, who patented the percussion cap in 1818, Joseph Manton, Col. Peter Hawker, and most likely of all, Joseph Egg (nephew of Durs Egg).

Joseph Egg operated at this Picaddily address from about 1816 to 1835.

Any sign of proof stamps under the barrel, or around the breech? If so, we need to see them. Each barrel would be proofed separately BTW, and I'd expect to see London proofs on it.

Dating this piece could be critical, regardless of the overall condition, which is not, according to the NRA conditions, fine, but very good - see -

'VERY GOOD: All original parts; none to 30% original finish; original metal surfaces smooth with all edges sharp; clear lettering, numerals and design on metal; wood slightly scratched or bruised; bore disregarded for collectors firearms.'

For interest - here is the whole list for assessing antique arms -

NRA ANTIQUE FIREARM CONDITIONS STANDARDS:

FACTORY NEW: All original parts; 100% original finish; in perfect condition in every respect, inside and out.

EXCELLENT: All original parts; over 80% original finish; sharp lettering, numerals and design on metal and wood; unmarred wood; fine bore.

FINE: All original parts; over 30% original finish; sharp lettering, numerals and design on metal and wood; minor marks in wood; good bore.

VERY GOOD: All original parts; none to 30% original finish; original metal surfaces smooth with all edges sharp; clear lettering, numerals and design on metal; wood slightly scratched or bruised; bore disregarded for collectors firearms.

GOOD: Some minor replacement parts; metal smoothly rusted or lightly pitted in places, cleaned or re-blued; principal letters, numerals and design on metal legible; wood refinished, scratched bruised or minor cracks repaired; in good working order.

FAIR: Some major parts replaced; minor replacement parts may be required; metal rusted, may be lightly pitted all over, vigorously cleaned or re-blued; rounded edges of metal and wood; principal lettering, numerals and design on metal partly obliterated; wood scratched, bruised, cracked or repaired where broken; in fair working order or can be easily repaired and placed in working order.

POOR: Major and minor parts replaced; major replacement parts required and extensive restoration needed; metal deeply pitted; principal lettering, numerals and design obliterated, wood badly scratched, bruised, cracked or broken; mechanically inoperative; generally undesirable as a collector's firearm.


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antique egg

good eye tac, i didn,t notice the left barrel bulge until i posted the pictures as well. that definitely drops the grading a notch. marks under the barrel are 1)crown over GP then 2)crown over V on right barrel only 3)letter C closely followed by reverse 7 with forward slash 1/2 height. no other marks appear other than some silver flash on left barrel just ahead of vent. this looks to be a horizontal gryphon chasing ??? appreciate your input on this interesting piece. regards
 
Hmmmmmmm.

Can't help with the cipher - the letter C etc.

BUT - Crown over GP = Definitive London Proof since 1637 [not helpful].

Crown over V = London View mark.

So it has all the right stamps. As I said above, dating is to around the 1830 mark. The London Proof House, unlike Birmingham, onl help if you arrive there with the gun....

As you note, the bulged barrel does not help the value much, but of course, there are folks who can fix that. Talking to a gentleman here in UK who is a maven on older guns, he tells me that getting the barrel trued and shrunk would not, IHO, be cost-effective, although that is your decision. It might cost at least $500 to fix, and the gun might be worth as much as $1500-2000 with it done. Right now that bulge is a killer.

tac
 
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