An interesting missive from the CFC regarding AR-15s

4000 ARs??? That's probably the number of AR sold through CGN dealers alone in the last two years.

Looking at the BATF stat, IIRC, STAG alone exported something like 300 rifles in one year - guess where they have gone?
 
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cancer said:
They probably searched "AR-15" specifically. I've seen plenty of M4ergy licence certificates that didn't say AR-15 anywhere on them, then there are Norinco CQ311s, they don't say AR-15 either. Not to mention, the majority of those bureaucrats at the CFC wouldn't have any idea the difference between an M4 and an AR15.
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Good point. A DPMS I just sold was a model "A-15", and my new Dlask is model "DAR-701".
 
Armalites will be M-15
LMTs will be Defender 2000
Bushy xm15e2s

etc etc.

The AR-15 search definatly means that all you'll get are the certs with "AR-15" on them....certainly not representative of the number of that "type" of rifle in the system.
 
Are all ARs given the same Firearm Identification Number? Or does each brand have it's own number? Are they further subdivided by barrel length, etc? If so, I can see why they would #### up the search.
 
I agree it would be rifles with the name AR-15 only. Not all AR-15 variants. My Stag Arms is listed only as "Stag Arms" restricted, semi-automatic. That's it. No reference to it being an AR-15 variant. Same deal with my DPMS LR-308. It won't show up as an AR-10 or variant of it.
 
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Well, the DCRA made representations, but let's face it, back then they weren't registered if the barrel was long enough so no-one had a clue how many there were in circulation, it was just a guess.

I don't think the numbers matter when it comes to DCRA, I'm sure the DCRA would make representations if F-class rifles were going to be banned and how many of those are in circulation? Not many.

The question was whether they had legitimate sporting uses, the answer was yes, so they didn't get enough points to be banned using the goofy classification system the DoJ came up with back in 1992. Same thing happened to the Mini-14, although that stayed non-restricted.
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Parts of this is only partially correct.

The DCRA did stand up for the shooters when this crap was going down.

The Gov was going to prohib both the FN and the Ar-15 in the big list of firearms getting the prohib designation. The DCRA fought to keep both in the restricted classification but it came down to pick one and the AR being the current service rifle and the rifle of the future it won out.

If it weren't for the DCRA the AR would have been prohib 15 years ago.
 
More proof that the database that underpins the registry is faulty. It was developed by people who had never seen a real live gun. The relationships within the database don't follow the way firearms are designated, there are probably as many firearms numbers as there are variants, whereas all variants of a like discription should point to one firearm number.
 
Parker-Hale Mike said:
Parts of this is only partially correct.

The DCRA did stand up for the shooters when this crap was going down.

The Gov was going to prohib both the FN and the Ar-15 in the big list of firearms getting the prohib designation. The DCRA fought to keep both in the restricted classification but it came down to pick one and the AR being the current service rifle and the rifle of the future it won out.

If it weren't for the DCRA the AR would have been prohib 15 years ago.
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^True. It would behoove everyone to read the C68 Committee meeting transcripts where the AR15 was saved from prohibition from by the testimony of the DCRA. It had nothing to do with not having enough features to prohibit, it was due 100% to the DCRA testifying that service rifle shooting has been here for more than 100 years, and the AR15 was THE service rifle of today. The Liberals wanted it gone. Read the battleax female Liberal committee members statements, her name escapes me.
 
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^True. It would behoove everyone to read the C68 Committee meeting transcripts where the AR15 was saved from prohibition from by the testimony of the DCRA. It had nothing to do with not having enough features to prohibit, it was due 100% to the DCRA testifying that service rifle shooting has been here for more than 100 years, and the AR15 was THE service rifle of today. The Liberals wanted it gone. Read the battleax female Liberal committee members statements, her name escapes me.
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I had a copy of the DoJ manual that had lots of pictures and lists in it of what was going to be prohibited, etc. and in the back it had an explanation of the point system they used to figure this all out. I remember the AR-15 didn't get enough points to be prohibited because of "sporting use" or something like that.

So yes, essentially the DCRA testimony led to that decision.
 
I spoke at some length to a guy at the restricted registry in Ottawa last year about the FINs on AR-15s and they do at least clump some of them together in their searches, because he asked what I wanted to register and I said a "Colt AR-15" and then the conversation went like this for literally half an hour:

"Is it this one?"

"No."

"Is it this one?"

"No."

Etc.

He couldn't find the specific variation I had to begin with, but after going through what seemed like dozens we did eventually find it.

So the search term they use I think does get a lot of the variations but I tend to agree that it doesn't get them all. If you put "AR-15" in it must come up with a fair chunk of them, based on my experience of them putting: "Colt AR-15" in.

I'm sure there are more than 4,000, but I don't think it's staggeringly more, assume it's 100% more and it's still only 8,000, which is what I was expecting them to say. Prior to the UK ban on centrefire semi-auto and pump-action rifles in 1989 the police compiled a stat that there were 8,172 semi-autos and 6 pump-actions in their records and we're only talking about the AR-15 here.

I suppose I could ask for clarification, but I'd have to wait another ten months.

The question I should ask is how many rifles are there in the system listed as "restricted" as it would give us a better idea, but that would undoubtedly end up with a lot of handguns being included as there is no legal definition of a "restricted rifle" per se so I don't think they can do a search on that.

What popular restricted rifles are there? AR-15, Beretta CX4 Storm, M-1 carbine, a few other short-barrel .223s...

I have to say I always find that people get a false impression of how many guns there are in circulation, I think it's because we all go to the same comps and see loads of these guns and think there are more than there actually are. I suspect the majority of people in Canada who own AR-15s are probably members of this forum.
 
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There are over 440,000 restricted class firearms registered in Canada, I can't see only 1% being ARs.

As an example on this forum alone, the number of threads in the Handgun section is a little over 9,000, and the AR section has over 4,800.
 
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