An m14 not a norinco m305

If you can afford it, buy an LRB or a Smith, Springfield too. If you can't afford quality and don't mind rolling the dice on blow ups and glitches buy a chinese rifle. This thread concerns the former, the latter isn't going to get any love here to those still pushing them.

JRW (QOR) said:
I guess you also dont go to Walmat, Canadian Tire, Loblaws, et al, as virtually everything comes from China these days. Fact is, they shoot well, and I can have one for $450.
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Please see the following. :)

Ardent said:
For the cave to everything Chinese crowd, leaving out numerous issues and even multiple blow ups just recently: The west doesn't produce a cell phone here, we do make some of the best guns out there however. This thread is about a guy whose whole mission is to avoid Chinese guns, if you don't agree with that goal best to move on this thread won't prove particularily useful for you. :)
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Now, I had a Nork and dumped it at deer camp last fall.
While I had that rifle I started collecting the parts for an LRB rather than upgrade the Nork.

Most Nork fans seem to like upgrading their norks and sort of view them as a GI grade M14 with a financing plan.

Down payment is the original rifle
Then piece by piece and payment by payment as you can afford it, you eventually pay the price of a nice GI spec rifle anyway, but at least you have something to shoot along the way.
Plus each time you upgrade a component, you still have the original part as a spare. I get that.

While I understand upgrading a Nork is one direction a guy can go, I figured why not skip upgrading the nork since I was buying all the nice GI parts anyway and for the added cost of the LRB receiver, just put the good parts on that. This way I got my trigger time on the Nork until all the good stuff showed up and I got the barrel screwed on the LRB.

I cant fault a guy for selecting the GI spec payment plan, and any of you who have done this can always put the old parts back on the Nork and put the good stuff on an LRB too. It's just the last and biggest payment you would need to make. Although from what I know of those norks, the receiver is the best part of the rifle and probably as good in terms of strength as many of the "respected" brands - all hand work and polishing aside.

More than any other reason, I bought my LRB for the included scope base, not really because it's a better receiver and bolt... well maybe I did.
 
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Unbelievable!

Reading through the 15 pages was downright entertaining and disconcerting all at the same time. Is it envy, jealousy or just a need or justification to be seen as equal where none exists? I own a Norky. Was at a range in southern Alberta and the guy next to me was shooting his LRB and Springfield. Guys, there is no comparison, even though mine has some USGI stuff on it. He enjoyed my drooling and yes, I wiped it off the LRB after shooting off 5 shots. It felt the same, shot the same but did NOT look or feel the same.

Kind of like a $2,500 compound bow to my sting tied to a $100 plastic bow. I was grateful for the opportunity to shoot his fine rifle and happy for the realization that mine was purchased to shoot and have fun. When it breaks down or wears out, I may replace with a Springer, LRB or Smith - if I can get in Canada. Until that time, I'm not sweating it, because I have other higher priority toys to buy. So - no use in arguing about the matter, as those three rifles, not matter how intricately or passionately argued, will never be equal. Never, ever.
 
Just had a Buddha moment.
When Im at the range and sat at the bench with my cheap ass Norc, I can only look sideways at the guy next to me, no matter what hes shootin.
No lookin up and no lookin down.
Just 2 guys shootin their guns and havin a blast.
Aint that what its all about :)

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Time for a Herbal tea.
 
I wouldn't like a Norc setting up beside me, not for looking down on the price but for the extremely high catastrophic failure rate they have and I'm not partaking in somebody else's risk thanks. Questionable containment of 60,000psi / a gunshot is not worth risking when it's not even my gun.
 
Ardent, you should know I'm not trying to take a personal issue with you... And also that I absolutely respect your personal choices in firearms.
However, to state that chinese m14 type rifles have an extremely high catastrophic failure rate is simply an untrue , unfounded statement.

I'm not defending chinese rifles , I'm simply stating, from a guy that has handled, inspected, built, torn down, repaired and shot a great many 100's , I'd bet well over 1000 Chinese m14 type rifles, the epidemic of catastrophic failures you keep preaching about does not exhist.
I speak from hands on factual findings.
After all those rifles.... My #### in all it's monstrous glory is still firmly intact.... Still have both eyes and all my fingers too ;)
And yes... I also own a LRB ;) just for little extra cool factor to show off at the range and CGN clinics because it makes me feel like a bigger man than all those silly norky owners who's rifles are all going to blow up spontaniously. LOL I crack me up sometimes :D
 
Nelson84 said:
It's against my believes to buy a Chinese rifle. Does anybody else make a m14? I like the EBR stock but I don't want a Chinese rifle in it. What are my options.
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OP's question


The answer:

LRB
springfield
Smith enterprises

and Ruger for the min14/30 platform

it was the your wasting your money crowd that first hijacked this thread berating the op for wanting to "waste his money", and "why spend 5x as much for nothing!" . The fact is those statements are just as small minded and biased as many on my side of the argument in favour of spending the extra cash on the domestic variant. We have been going in circles for what two weeks now?
The OP never asked "whats the best bang for the buck?", or "what is better, chinese or domestic?" he just wanted to know what the non chinese options were.

I love to argue, sometime just for the sake of arguing. But good god let this thread die.
 
45ACPKING said:
Ardent, you should know I'm not trying to take a personal issue with you... And also that I absolutely respect your personal choices in firearms.
However, to state that chinese m14 type rifles have an extremely high catastrophic failure rate is simply an untrue , unfounded statement.

I'm not defending chinese rifles , I'm simply stating, from a guy that has handled, inspected, built, torn down, repaired and shot a great many 100's , I'd bet well over 1000 Chinese m14 type rifles, the epidemic of catastrophic failures you keep preaching about does not exhist.
I speak from hands on factual findings.
After all those rifles.... My #### in all it's monstrous glory is still firmly intact.... Still have both eyes and all my fingers too ;)
And yes... I also own a LRB ;) just for little extra cool factor to show off at the range and CGN clinics because it makes me feel like a bigger man than all those silly norky owners who's rifles are all going to blow up spontaniously. LOL I crack me up sometimes :D
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In gentlemanly debate,

I actually think the past Norcs, which is all I played with until '08 or so when I swore off the last one, were better. I have two shooting acquaintences who've had Norc M14s blow up in their faces (and not posted here), and how many more that have been posted here recently? Or all those that fail and don't get posted about.

I would never fault somebody for not wanting to have a guy setting off 60,000psi explosions beside them (I'm included) in something as suspect as current Norcs. If one of those barrel failures occurs at best you're getting a nice little injection of tiny steel and brass fragments and at worst, well I'd rather not think about worst.

So in summary, while I respect a guy's choices, and that doesn't mean I won't share my opinion, I'm not going to partake in someone else's risk while they shoot just to be a nice guy. 1 in 10,000 is too high of a failure rate for me given the severity of the risk, and there's no doubt it's far exceeded that, it may have even entered the less than 1:1000 rankings.

I know you said you've witnessed scary things with Springfield in the past, but I haven't. Until I have two severe failures occur with people I know in other guns the Norinco M14 will hold my absolute lowest confidence for safety in a gun currently on the market in meaningful numbers.
 
Nelson84 said:
It's against my believes to buy a Chinese rifle. Does anybody else make a m14?
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How can you or any internet savvy person interested in the M14 style rifle not know what options are available?

BTW, the computer you are using probably has at least one part made in China...
 
H2O MAN said:
How can you or any internet savvy person interested in the M14 style rifle not know what options are available?

BTW, the computer you are using probably has at least one part made in China...
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Virtually EVERY computer, every tablet, every flat screen tv is manufactured in China.

That iPhone? China.

Apple Mac? China.

60" TV? China.

Car parts you just put on your "Made in America Dodge pickup"? China.

Cutlery, coffeemaker, microwave...China.

Three guesses where your furniture is all made, first two don't count, and no, Ikea products are not manufactured in Sweden!

Its not 1961 anymore...if you don't want to own any product made in Communist China, you are living in a cave with no heat.

Air conditioning, your clothes, drywall, nails, plumbing fittings...all together now: China!

goretex jacket might be made in Vancouver, or Seattle...but probably China.

Chinese factories can make quality, or they can make garbage...its up to the customer buying product, cause if it sells and has no returns, importers and distributors will continue ordering the same product from China. And some importers expect and demand high quality, and Chinese factories CAN AND DO offer it.
 
Interestin sidenote to the above post........Last time I was in Vancouver it looked to me like half the population was originally "Made in China "

Just sayin :)

Gonna write my will now, while I still have my eyes and fingers, cos the Suns out and Im gonna go play Russian Roullette with my Norc.
Where did I leave my Deer Hunter soundtrack............... :)
 
Seafury said:
I like the idea of supporting my country and its citizens where I can. If people in Nova Scotia actually made something I might buy that too. Not all people from Quebec are socialist losers.
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They do, some fella by the name of Nick, assembles and sells rifle scopes in Nova Scotia. His company is called King Optics.
Go ahead now and buy one! Laugh2
 
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