An odd Mosin Nagant

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I have probably posted this one before, but figure there would be gunners who appreciate having another look.

It is a very late Model 28 or very early 28/30, or perhaps neither, or both. A bit of research tells us the story. This was copied from the mosinnagant.net site:

Here's a bit more info on that 28/30: copied from mosinnagant.net


Late SAKO produced barrels:

The fourth and rarest marking to be found on m/28 barrels is that of the SAKO weapons factory. SAKO did not have the capability to produce barrels until the very end of the m/28 production just prior to the beginning production on the m/28-30. The marking is that of the well known SAKO gear wheel. It is placed in the same location as the SY placement on previous SIG production barrels. One of the only known guns to have this marking is pictured in “Sotilaskäsiaseet Suomessa 1918-1988” by Markku Palokangas. This gun is found in the weapons archive of the Sotamuseo (War Museum) located in Helsinki Finland. (48) The author was lucky enough on one research trip to be able to handle serial number 1 of the m/28 production and this rare example of early SAKO barrel production. It was relayed by the director of the Sotamuseo, Mr. Marrku Palokangas that the sporadic serial number range of these rifles bearing the SAKO logo would fall approximately in the last 100 or so produced in the 32,900 to 33,016 range. Only a few known examples are in US collections.


Some controversy is involved, of course. With firearms like this, nothing is ever cut and dried. I posted this rifle on the russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com site. Here is the link to the showcase thread featuring this rifle: https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20253

Pictures and more info are there. Feel free to post your observations. :) Cursed photobucket....

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Great looking piece of history. Thanx for posting.

The rifle's bolt, with all the stamped over numbers shows how the Finns never throw anything away that still works for its intended purpose. Also dispels the comments heard about Mosins being made with non interchangeable parts.

Nice rifle. Good for you managing to find it.
 
Great looking piece of history. Thanx for posting.

The rifle's bolt, with all the stamped over numbers shows how the Finns never throw anything away that still works for its intended purpose. Also dispels the comments heard about Mosins being made with non interchangeable parts.

Nice rifle. Good for you managing to find it.

Thank you. The above attached thread throws a bit more light on the rifle. The part I pasted actually deals with a Model 28, but, as one fellow points out, mine is actually a 28/30, maybe(?). I am not yet certain just how I came about owning this rifle. I have my old dealer records book beside me, and I am going to study it right now.

Well, I guess I should say it found me. It arrived at my shop on January 1, 1993, from Century. Way more luck than brains. Back then, most "gunners" considered those types of rifles as "them old army rifles", or "some kind of oddball Russian rifle". I probably caught the bug after reading an article hinting that some of the cheap, available milsurp rifles wouldn't be cheap, available rifles, and that some would turn out to be quite rare, re: my SAT barrel M91. In those days, I was raising a family, and didn't have money for both research books and guns, so I bought guns. Nowadays, there is little excuse for not researching, with the myriad of sites and up-to-date books.
 
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ok, I have the cast aluminum Civil Guard muzzle cover for that rifle. Pretty tough to find these, I have one left. PM me if you need it.
 
Very nice looking rifle,kjohn.
Historical, Unique and Mysterious.There are not many like it, thanks for sharing!

What are the chances you’d be willing to share pics of your SAT M91?

Cheers
 
Very nice, I've had to settle for a M39.

From = https://www.guns.com/news/review/gun-review-the-finnish-model-m2830-mosin-nagant-rifle

Also of note is that for the World Shooting Championships of 1937 held in Helsinki, SAKO made over 440 identical M28/30 rifles specially for the event. The serial number block that was used for these rifles was between 48791 and 49467. Eighty three of these rifles were used in the competition (rifles between serial numbers 48963 and 49466) which Finland ended up winning.

Also it would appear that your rifle # 100,047 falls in the serial number range of these Finnish M28/30s.

FROM = http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/MosinNagant-M2830rifle-introduction.asp

VARIANTS OF THE m/28-30

Variants of the m/28-30 included an official production version that was made for private purchase as mentioned in the markings section. This version was a standard production model but included an identifying logo to indicate a “civilian” purchase. The program to buy an individual weapon was begun in 1934 and continued on through the entire production schedule of the m/28-30 terminating in 1941. The extra markings of SAKO with the word Riihimaki below it was added to these rifles. They also had there own special serial numbers that ranged from 100,000 to approximately 102,000. These rifles were either purchased by wealthy individuals in the guard for their own personal use, by the local auxiliary units in the districts for an individual or by a civilian wishing to shoot with it in competitive shooting matches. Often time the Lotta Savard would organize a fund raiser to purchase an individual weapon for a member of the local district guards. These rifles are extremely rare and hardly if ever encountered in personal collection either here or abroad.
 
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Very nice looking rifle,kjohn.
Historical, Unique and Mysterious.There are not many like it, thanks for sharing!

What are the chances you’d be willing to share pics of your SAT M91?

Cheers

Chances are good. I'll need a bit of time to dig up some pics. :)
 
Thanks in advance and take all the time you need.
SAT M91 is as rare and historic as they get and im absolutely thrilled at a chance of seeing it. That and M27 RV are the only Finn Mosins that i haven’t managed to add to my collection.

Cheers
 
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