Always looking for a way to get special rifle, and this rifle suddenly spark my interest a Rem 700 SPS in 300 Blackout, 110 gr @ 2350 fps ought to be a great little low recoiling deer rifle for my third grand daughter, never look upon it before... I am excited now... JP.
And what if i get a Rem SPS 700 in 300 Blackout...
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I've never been impressed with 110gr .30 cal bullets they all seem intended as a varmint round and fail the penetration tests I've done with them on wet phone books but if you've found one you're confident with I'd go for it, worst case scenario you have the joys of working up a few different loads.
I looked at this aswell and found it to be under powerd for a having it in a long bolt gun short AR sure but they have it in other cal with soft recoil that I can find ammo for cheaper and more readily available.
I wanted it for yotes but went with 270.
I wanted it for yotes but went with 270.
The 300 Whisper appears similar. There they suggest a 100 grain bullet for supersonic and the 208 grain for subsonic.
Barnes has a 110 grain TSX which would fill the bill.
Is Remington producing a SPS in 300 Blackout or are you considering a rebarrel? A rebarrel would give you options.
Barnes has a 110 grain TSX which would fill the bill.
Is Remington producing a SPS in 300 Blackout or are you considering a rebarrel? A rebarrel would give you options.
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I don't understand the fascination with the 300 Blackout in a bolt gun. I barely understand the fascination in the AR platform. Guys get all creamy over it but to me it's got nothing really going for it other than being able to drive a 208 AMax about as fast as a fart.
I know that you handload. I'd just get a light weight 308 and download it to wimpy levels with a lightweight bullet and GD3 will thank you for a rifle that will actually last and be relevant as she goes through her hunting career.
I know that you handload. I'd just get a light weight 308 and download it to wimpy levels with a lightweight bullet and GD3 will thank you for a rifle that will actually last and be relevant as she goes through her hunting career.
I would prefer to have a 7-08, 243 or a 250 sav for a nice light recoil gun for kids. Ammo is better available than an ar cartridge. These are great cals for deer and even bigger animals at short range. They have better bullet selection for hunting compared to the very light for caliber bullets in 30 cal. An sps in my eyes isn't a special rifle, its remingtons budget gun in the model 700. If its for the kid then maybe let the kid help pick out what gun they are going to shoot, unless its a surprise.
Do you own a .30-30 Winchester? Would you see a use for that? The .300 Blackout, 7.62x39mm, .30.30 Win., and possibly the ancient .32-20 all have comparable ballistics.
Nobody is going to try to change your preferences because you already have your mind made up. The Blackout isn't for you and that's ok. No one said you had to like it. It definitely isn't for everyone.
There's no argument that a .308 Win. would be a great choice in a bolt gun. However, life would get pretty boring if we were all left with just one choice, right? You can make the same argument for .223 vs. .22-250 in a bolt gun. Why have a .223 when the .22-250 does everything the smaller cartridge does and with higher velocities?
The .300 Blackout's strengths lies in its versatility with all .30 cal. bullet weights ranging from 90gr.-250gr. at subsonic and mid-range supersonic velocities while using a short barrel length. This is an area where the .308 Win. does not excel in and is easily surpassed by the smaller more efficient cartridge.
Lighter weight .30 cal. hunting bullets can be found in all brands. One of the best commonly found bullets for deer sized game is the Nosler 125 gr. BT. Barnes makes great premium bullets that are among the best. The Barnes TAC-TX FB #30811 bullet is designed to expand at lower velocities and has great weight retention after expansion.
With deer saized game, penetration is not an issue. You simply don't need much to get the job done. Even a .22RF will suffice if the right ammunition is used and proper shot placement is made.
This isn't my pic but one that best illustrates the point.
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Yup.
After looking pretty closely at 300 Whisper and Blackout, I have no idea why any handloader would buy one when they can just download any .30 cal rifle they already have to duplicate these cartridges.
And the fact that bolt guns in these cals seem to command $1000+ price tags just adds to the silliness.
110 grain 30 cal @ 2350 can be done in a $150 SKS for gosh sake, and any .30 cal with a 1-10 twist can do the 208 grain A-max deal.
I was talking to a rep at Gravel Agency (Remington/AAC distributor) and they indicated that they were bringing in the AAC Micro7 (Model 7) in .300 Blackout later this year. It might be an option for you if light weight was important to you.
What? If all that was needed was a $75 SKS, there'd be no need to own anything else would there? A SKS isn't exactly everyone's cup of tea and I wouldn't use it as an excuse to not purchase anything else in 7.62x39mm or any other intermediate cartridge for that matter.
You've got a good point about the ever rising prices of simple bolt actions but cartridge choice has nothing to do with it. The prices are obscene for anything with any degree of quality. Doesn't matter what company is making them.
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Actually, I'm probably one of the few rifle loonies that doesn't. Still, I do see what you're saying. What I don't understand is imitating the ballistics of a good, but marginal, cartridge in a platform that is capable of more. The 30-30 in a short-range lever rifle makes some sense, and I suppose that if you were so inclined a bolt rifle in 7.62x39 or 300 Blackout would be just fine and might be a good idea to maintain familiarity with the platform.
I wouldn't have a problem with something like the 300 Blackout but I'm a bigger is better kind of guy. I would like to see how well the Blackout would do for a game like Fullbore Metallic Silhouette. The 7 TCU works OK but can be marginal at knocking the 500m Rams over but a heavy weight 30 cal would do it with ease.
Did I just wander from the Con to the Pro column and drag the whole discussion to the Precision forum? Trippy.
Im pretty sure a 300 Blackout has substantially less hitting power than a 7.62x39 ... I can see why the 300 Blackout would be an apealing idea. You can run it in an AR in the same 5.56 mags. Other than that , once i looked into the 300 Blackout ... I kinda thought it was a bit of a joke
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300 blackout is OK but the recoil might be a bit to much when you have your period.
Not sure where you base your "pretty sure" assumption on, however, here's load data right from Hodgdon Powders web site showing ballistics data for 125gr. class bullets. Both cartridges look near identical in terms of initial muzzle velocities with the 7.62x39mm holding a less than 100 fps advantage. Not sure what barrel length the 7.62x39mm data is derived from but I do know that the Blackout is at 16".
The superior ballistic co-efficient of .308" bullets are going to have far better down range ballistics and energy as a result.
Not sure why you think it's a joke but a lot of people think highly of 7.62x39mm so it's basically more of the same if not better.
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