Animal Defence Pump Shotgun

not a large selection of pistol gripped semi'sout there, but the semi Idea in general is a decent one.

Where are you riding your atv that you are being attacked by dogs? If you are deep in the woods getting attacked by wild stray dogs, that's one thing...one rare but not unbeleivable thing But if you are being attacked while riding in a semi-rural area, like it sounds. You might want to think twice before you go riding around with a loaded shotgun shooting people's dogs. There are laws in place that should at least be taken into consideration here. I'm surprised nobody has commented on this yet.
 
My favorite 'Shottie' for an 'ADG' is a Mossburg 500 with a ported 20 inch barrel and regular wooden stock.I prefer ghost ring sights for dog or big cat.A small ankle biter can be aquired very quick with this setup. I use number 6 shot for ankle biters and 00 buck for leg biters.
IMG_0902.jpg
:bump: I use the side saddle to hold five 3 inch slugs for those ferocious neck and face Biters.I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that gets the willies from animals.God bless Shotguns to keep them away.
 
Last edited:
Sixgunner,

First of all, are you serious? Where are you? I don't mean to be offensive, but I don't know how many areas you can find lions, bears, & wheelchair ramps. The "dog threat" is kind of confusing as well.
Anyways, all that aside, here are my thoughts. I would go with the Remington 870 as a start. It's a solid gun, almost bulletproof. Not only that, but there are way more accessories out there for the 870, AND you see them on the EE more often. From the sound of things you will probably want a short barrel, 20" or so.
Speaking of accesories, you can probably trim down your list. Without a plug, any 870 will hold 5x 2.75" shells. With an extended mag tube that goes up, let's say to 7. For bear/dog/lion defense, that should suffice. If you are planning to have the gun in a scabbard I wouldn't recomend a side saddle. It I would keep the gun as streamlined as possible for a faster presentation. If the gun snags while a bear is charging you, you can kiss your side saddle good bye. Not only that, but if you have time to fire 8 shots at a mountain lion that's coming at you full bore, and then reload from a side saddle & keep shooting, you should have your own TV show.
I would forget about the laser completely. Green or red, neither will do you an ounce of good outside during daylight hours.
The scope mount isn't a bad idea if you really want a CQB type sight. However, since you plan on firing "from the hip," I'm not sure what purpose it would serve. I would just get a set of high visibility fiber optic or ghost ring sights put on. If your heart is set on a scope rail, I would use the money you saved by NOY buying a laser, and invest in a good solid rail bolted right to the top of the receiver instead of a cheap wrap-around. That would give you a better foundation for your sight and again, keep it streamlined.
As far as ammo, I would go with Reduced recoil slugs and buck shot.

Good luck out there!
:p

Tim

The best post I've seen yet!! You are the wind beneath my wings!
 
probably b/c it was about half the price at the time- and the 870 on the rack was a DUCK gun and you wanted a"tactical" - that's what it was with me-my duck gun was a remmy 1100, and i wanted/needed atactical- the defender wasjust over 200 at teh time and would take 3 inch - the remmy was a strict 23/4 set up
*****




!

******


Ted
 
Because the defender 1300 is a champ and the 870 is a piece o crap! My two cents. Oh, and never ever buy a maverick 88. They're worse than the 870. Jammy jammy. And I know everyone is already saying "this guy's an idiot, he doen't like 870's". I'm referring to the "express" line. I have a defender 1300 and an old Winchester 2200 (the canadian 1200) It's always worked flawlessly on the line while my bud's 870 expresses are always jamming. The actions need polishing. The 870 Police or 11-87 lines are beautiful, however.

hmmmm........having taught numerous bear encounter courses in northen BC in "real life" surroundings I have to say my experience is 180 degrees opposite....the worst performing was the 1200-1300 winchester defender series of shotguns........870 remmys and mossberg 500 were by far the best....this was prior to the latest batch of J-lock expresses tho.......currently I have a 12 inch Grizzly with ghost ring sights tho.....love that damn gun.....

this fellow may be better off with a 20 gauge semi......remington had a short barrel 1100 mini trap gun a while back....loaded with buckshot or slugs could be an option....
 
Remington quality has gone down hill, just yesterday I removed the stock off a brand new 870P and the stock retaining bolt was cross treaded at the factory. Go with a Mossberg 590
 
Despite your mobility issues, a pistol grip stock is not going to be of much benefit. A defensive gun must be able to be put into action quickly, but you must also be able to hit your target, and to enable you to do so on demand a conventional stock is a better choice. You may wish to address the length of pull, and seeing as how you will be shooting from a seated position exclusively a LOP as short as 13" will make the gun quick. Forget the long magazine tube. It will screw up the handling qualities of the gun, and if you haven't solved the problem with 5 rounds you are unlikely to solve it with 8. Choose a short barrel if you can find one. I normally disapprove of barrels shorter than 16" on pump guns due to the danger of the support hand sliding forward of the muzzle as the gun fires, but in your case a 14" barrel might be just the ticket. You may wish to consider a 20 gauge rather than a 12 but if not perhaps a ported barrel is a consideration, although I have no experience with them on shotguns. A careful choice of ammunition is the best way to limit recoil. Shoot field loads when possible, choose 23/4" 1 ounce slugs from Winchester when you need slugs. Have a good recoil pad installed. The flavor of the month that wins the most accolades on CGN is the Limb Saver, but my hard kickers have Decelerators which are also very good.

Avoid attaching anything to the gun that might hang up as you bring it into action. No sling, no side saddle, no optics, or laser. The laser only works in limited light conditions anyway, and if you were to shoot over snow on a sunny day you would never see the dot.

A semi auto is a viable choice as well. It mitigates recoil to some extent, but in your case you might not be able to have it as short as you require given our current laws.
 
there's a fellow at the range what is also bound by wheelchair- he's got a rig with a "u" bracket mounted and bolted to the coffee cup holder and that holds his forend- he can then put anything he likes in the holder and the back end is supported by his shoulder- all he has to do is pull the trigger-as for the bracket- it looks like one of those brackets you get with the varmint rests or gun cradels but it's got a really long "tail" to bring it to shoulder height- and he's dipped the "v" or "u" in that plastic stuff you get from rona for putting rubber grips on your tools so it won't scratch
 
Ok, so you'll be on an ATV, that clears it up a little.
Assuming that you're in an area where it's legal to have a loaded gun on an ATV, I would rig up a gun rack right to the handle bars. That will put the gun in an easily/quickly accessable spot, and you won't have to worry about getting it hung up on anything.
I still say that a laser is a complete waste. Lasers are great when you're inside, or in low light conditions, pointing them at a FLAT PAPER TARGET. Outside, where everything is green and your target is moving quickly, you'd be surprised how hard it is to find them. Especially "from the hip." It takes a ton of practise, and some phenominal hand-eye coordination to get good at shooting from the hip. And even with a pistol grip shotgun it's best to raise it to eye-level & referrence the sights quickly.
I have to agree with Boomer, that you should go with a full stock. A conventionally stocked gun is a lot easier to control than one with a pistol grip. The gun can be fired & brought back on target much more quickly. As recoil is an issue, reduced recoil loads should help, and a recoil pad like Boomer suggested, will help out a lot too. I use a Limb-saver slip-on pad on my slug gun, and I have recommended it to everybody I know. It EATS recoil like you wouldn't believe possible. I would suggest getting either a youth model or a having a normal stock cut down, then putting a limb-saver on it.
If cost isn't an issue, and you do decide to go with a full stock, I would use a semi-auto instead of a pump. Obviously, my choice would be a Remington 1100. Aside from being faster to shoot, semi's absorb some recoil simply by the action cycling. Also because you don't move your arms, they are faster to bring to bear on the target for follow up shots. This is a matter of opinion though, I've seen some people who are pretty fast with a pump. There's no denying though that semi's are a lot of fun! :p
As for the comments on the Remington 870's reliability, I don't have any trouble with my 870 Express. It's second hand, and since buying it I've fired over 2000 rounds of mixed goose & skeet loads through it. The only problem I've ever had is if I short-stroke the action. That reliability is why I recomend the 870, and why I have 3 of them. I don't reccomend the Mossberg because a gunsmith aquaintence I have constantly complains about fixing broken mossbergs. I am not biased though, and I will admit I have had trouble with a 20ga 870. I bought it for my wife, and although it never had any reliability issues or stoppages, it was nearly impossible to disassemble & reassemble. I still don't know why. New 870s that I've played with (anything with a "J-lock" on the safety) have had a stickier action, but again, nothing that seems to affect reliability.
I don't think you'd have to worry about keeping the magazine under-loaded to reduce stress on the springs. If you were to keep it loaded and stored as a home-defense gun (which we all know is illegal...;) ) Then yes, it would be wise. However, if the gun stays unloaded for 99.99% of it's life, and is only loaded for several hours or even days at a time, the spring will be fine.
By the way Sixgunner, where are you? I have an 870 that is set up somewhat similar to what I've suggested, and I also have a pistol grip. If you're within a couple hours, we could probably T-up at a range or gravel pit, and you can put a few boxes through the gun in different configurations to get a feel for what you like.

Cheers.

Tim
 
Back
Top Bottom