another 7mm08 Bullet choice, Opinion thread- for Elks* Sambar. update #27 #49

Kelly Timoffee said:
Rayn'er Shine Gunworks, Lancer,

CI Distribution , Puslinch Ontario

Never had a problem having Swift bullets in my cabinet.Never had to look anywhere else either.
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Some people would like to see the product they are thinking about buying. I know I wouldn't be buying a box of 100 bullets online for $90. Especially when no one knows anything about them. Google will only tell you so much. until they are common in stores and lots of people start using them they won't be a big hit around here.
 
I have taken three animals with the Scirocco II now, and have to say, they are impressive.

The 90 Grain 6mm blew through a muley and exited, even with bone involved. DRT.
The 150 7mm did the same on a cow elk, but no large bones encountered...ribs only, exit was loony sized. 3 steps and down.
The 180 .308", driven hard out of one of my 308 Norma mags, stayed in, but did a great job on a Young bull Moose.
Broke offside bone, so was recovered from under the hide on the offside. DRT...stood with head down for 20 secs, then just tipped over.
I'll post a picture. Dave.
 
Then don't buy em. ;)

Never drug the poster to Lancer to go make him buy em.

Can't tell how well any of them work by just looking at them and holding them.

Might be a reason some manufacturers load them in premium ammunition.

Price wise, cheaper than Accubonds ,Partition and Barnes ,Interbonds look discontinued.


hometownhero said:
Some people would like to see the product they are thinking about buying. I know I wouldn't be buying a box of 100 bullets online for $90. Especially when no one knows anything about them. Google will only tell you so much. until they are common in stores and lots of people start using them they won't be a big hit around here.
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I have seen what the monos do on deer and the accubonds and interbonds all from a 7mm mag. i'll take the accubond over the monos and the e-tip over the tsx. accubonds penetrate DEEP. and blow bigger holes than a mono will. accubonds also open at longer ranges where the monos don't even think about opening. all this was 140-150 gr bullets. the 160 accubond is always an option but out of the 7mm08 case I would look and see if I couldn't find some 140 accubonds.

I think you would be hard pressed to make a 140 accubond stay in a broadside moose. If it would it would be under the hide far side. if there ever was anything nosler got right its the partitions and accubonds.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Then don't buy em. ;)

Never drug the poster to Lancer to go make him buy em.

Can't tell how well any of them work by just looking at them and holding them.

Might be a reason some manufacturers load them in premium ammunition.

Price wise, cheaper than Accubonds ,Partition and Barnes ,Interbonds look discontinued.
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Nope you don't see how they work by looking at them but if they were on more shelves more people would consider them and there would be more talk about them. Unless that happens the select few that write about them on the internet will be the only ones using them.
 
I shot a big bull Sambar yesterday with the 140gr Woodleigh, 200m or so and wacked it right in the shoulder, coming to rest on the 2nd rib back under the hide.

it ran 30m and fell over dead.

try get some pics of the bullet

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Doesn't really do him justice, decent mature rutted up neck too, out feeding with Cattle at 4pm , I seen it from my Kenworth on a mates property during work, so after work I raced out and caught up to him still in the open just on dark.


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had a good stalk up in the high elevation gulleys , camped in a hut last night in #### weather.
this one was shot at 50m with the 7mm08 and the 140gr Woodleigh.
ill get a close up of the projectile soon. a lot of shank left, wide expansion.
hard to argue with... maybe just maybe a 150gr would of exited so close.

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Thoughts in bullet weight..? does it matter? proberly not ...

WL
 
Well i was searching for info on 160gr projies for the 7mm08 an came across this old thread.

an update in 2024, ive found the 140gr Woodleighs to be Amazing , Dependant and Reliable! never had a fail an all cleanly killed many big Sambar.

since the warehouse Fire, ive been shelving the Woodleighs for a while an trying other loads...... ive loaded 140gr Corelokt Bonded (discontinued) recently.... an have not taken game with it----

So i went up to the 160gr bullets in a cup an core as there is limiting factors with smaller weights like 139gr for example, unreliable penetration mostly.

hoping to use the 160gr SPEER hot cor to good effect in coming weeks for a meat Sambar Hind, may happen this week but will see how early i get out of bed.


thanks for all info here on CGN, hugely appreaciated from OZ
 
When it comes to the larger, heavier game with heavier bone, increased bullet weight is going to provide increased Sectional density that will aid in penetration. A SD of .250 being the minimum recommendation for big game.
A 7mm bullet of 140 gr has a SD of .248. A 150 gr bullet has an SD of .266. A 155 gr bullet has a SD of .275. A 160 gr bullet has a SD of .283.

The trick is to get a good balance of velocity (especially if shooting mono-metal bullets to ensure adequate expansion; requiring a velocity of approx. 2000 fps at the animal), and weight for the retained energy to aid in penetration alongside the sectional density, when encountering heavier bone.

As examples of factory ammunition specs, the following will provide some data to ponder:
- Nosler 140 gr AccuBond ammo is listed at 2825 fps with muzzle energy of 2481 ft. lbs of energy, retaining 2157 fps @ 400 yards with 1446 ft. lbs of energy;
- Hornady 150 gr ELD-X ammo is listed at 2770 fps with muzzle energy of 2555 ft. lbs. of energy, retaining 2173 fps @ 400 with 1573 ft.lbs of energy;
- Hornady 160 gr CX ammo is listed at 2610 fps with muzzle energy of 2419 ft. lbs. of energy, retaining 2052 fps @ 400 yards with 1496 ft. lbs of energy.

Most animals will not be able to tell the difference between these 3 types of ammo when the bullet is placed accurately in the vitals.

Should heavy shoulder bone be encountered enroute to the vitals, obviously the bonded bullet or mono-metal types will maintain their structural integrity better than the traditional cup and core bullet and provide better results when penetrating bone and retaining integrity to get to the vitals for quick clean kills.
 
Speer Hot Cor bullets were cutting-edge tech a few decades back.

LOAD THEM ACCORDINGLY.

My goto load for the Speer Hot Cor 160gr is 44.0gr of W760 or H414 over CCI250 primers, which gave me sub moa accuracy from a Rem700 with a 24in bbl

This was the best combination in my rifles. I was loading three different rifles then and had the dies set for the rifle with the smallest chamber. All three of them shot this load very well. It fills the case to the bottom of the neck which is where I seated the bullets.

These rifles were built on long actions, so it was OK to seat the bullets that far out. If you have a short action, you will have to slightly compress the load, which is fine with both of those powders as they are most consistent with slightly compressed loads.

Hot Cor bullets ARE NOT BONDED per se' They pour the cores with molten lead, which supposedly binds the lead to the jackets.

They're about as good as a cup and core style bullet gets.
 
bearhunter said:
Speer Hot Cor bullets were cutting-edge tech a few decades back.

LOAD THEM ACCORDINGLY.

My goto load for the Speer Hot Cor 160gr is 44.0gr of W760 or H414 over CCI250 primers, which gave me sub moa accuracy from a Rem700 with a 24in bbl

This was the best combination in my rifles. I was loading three different rifles then and had the dies set for the rifle with the smallest chamber. All three of them shot this load very well. It fills the case to the bottom of the neck which is where I seated the bullets.

These rifles were built on long actions, so it was OK to seat the bullets that far out. If you have a short action, you will have to slightly compress the load, which is fine with both of those powders as they are most consistent with slightly compressed loads.

Hot Cor bullets ARE NOT BONDED per se' They pour the cores with molten lead, which supposedly binds the lead to the jackets.

They're about as good as a cup and core style bullet gets.
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Agree, used them quite a bit back in the day. Hard to find them around here now days though. - dan
 
My client loaner for mountain hunting and a few bears was a 7x57 for quite awhile, same ballistics. I started with 175gr Hornadys as I was stuck in a Taylorian mindset at the time. Moved to 140gr Partitions in the middle of the time span, and ended at 120gr CEB ER Raptors. The Partitions and Raptors were equals on game in my estimation, but the trajectory of the Raptors for mountain hunting was much better. And I prefer unleaded these days.

One factor I think mattered in our case was mountain shots in BC tend long, and the 140 partition and certainly the Hornady 175 don’t fly terribly impressively, especially at their respective muzzle velocities relative to the 120. The bullet arriving with plenty of speed matters. Now this said, these were 200-350lb mountain goats, and a couple bears a bit bigger than that, and one much bigger. That’s not a broad sample for elk category game, but I will say for goats they’re as muscular a creature as exists on this continent.
 
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