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i'm looking for a new 22lr. I have a 10/22 now but want something in a bolt action to shoot. I am looking for wind and distance training I can do in the farm field behind the house that won't have everyone in the area being annoyed by big bore report. 22's would fit this bill for training as distance is under 200m.

I posted on the 200 challenge thread for guys to post their results to help me decide which to buy and one responder said "CZ and don't look back". Which model 452 american or other.

I have looked at the Savage MkII TR with accutrigger. I have 6.5x47L and a 300 WSM tactical builds with savage actions and I was thinking that keeping the trigger the same would be more of an advantage switching between guns. The TR tacticool stock doesn't thrill me because I don't know what kind of wood it is made of. If it's laminated I would be happy as it would be more stable but I fear it is cheaper wood. Maybe the MkII BV is a better and less expensive choice.

As for optics I am looking for a mil/mil target knobs scope. This is what I have on the other two guns (trying to keep things the same) but don't want to spend the same as I did for the other zero stop scopes. What is out there in the $250-$350 range.

Any help would be great.

DinoS
 
The 452 are getting harder to find these days. The 455 is the new one with the switch barrel.

The tacticool stock is a laminate wood. Boyds makes it for savage.
 
my vote would be for the cz.nothing wrong with a savage,but the cz rifles shoot great,feel right,and just work good.they do cost alot.best to handle both of them if you can to see what feels best for you.
 
Both are great rifles and shoot quite well. My vote and preference is for the CZ. Not only are they probably a hair more accurate than the savages, but they are built to a higher standard. The CZ is slightly more centerfire-esque than the Savages, which in my opinion is an advantage when practising for those larger more expensive shots with your insert your favourite large calibre rifle here. The quality of craftsmanship in the CZ is top notch, and in my opinion, a cut above the savages. Not to say the Savages are slouches, but put the two side by side, and you'll see what I mean.

Either way you go, you'll have a great rifle, and it will be tack sharp accurate.

Thanks,
Cal.
 
Kind of a toss up in my gun cabinet, two 10-22's and a two Cz's, one BRNO and assorted other single shots. Not a salvage to be seen in my little kingdom. :D
 
I've had both...and found that as stated all over the net, on both CZ and Savage forums, accuracy and quality of the actions are equal.
Your paying for finish on the CZ's...not that there's anything wrong with that.
If you want a gun to shoot and not worry about the odd nick or scratch, get the Savage.
If you want something to cherish and hand down to your kids...go with the CZ. The wood is usually beautiful and they just feel nice...but it WON'T SHOOT ANY BETTER.
My latest build was the Savage..strictly because it was to be a shooter and with the savings in the gun (about $200) I was able to buy a better scope http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-si...nder-30-tactical-sf-65-20x42-20x-mil-dot.html
With this combination (Savage .22WMR) I can regularly hit an 8" steel plate at 300yds.
 
I prefer CZ and have both an American and a Varmint. I considered a Savage, but thought they looked too rough for the money. I would give the Savage the advantage in that an Accutrigger is superior to an untouched CZ trigger, but that's only if you dont' want to tinker. One of mine is a 453 and it has a single set trigger that needed no modification, but I wouldn't say its better than a doctored 452 trigger, just "out of the box".
 
I can't speak much to the CZ vs Savage, as I only own a Savage. But, from everything I've read: Savage for most bang for your buck, CZ if you're willing to spend more for the equality. The accuracy difference is splitting hairs, with CZ having a slight upper hand.

The only mil/mil scope I know if in your price range (and I've done a lot of looking) is the Weaver Grand Slam 3-10x40 ($300?). Otherwise you're >$400 for a Millett 4-16x50 or a Falcon 4-14x44.
 
Here's a detail folks have missed about the savage-the mags are crap. If you load them and then drop em on a hard surface, boom mag is toast. They are stamped together and split open easily. Ask me how i know. The upswing is that they are usually readily available and are pretty cheap. I also don't know what the mag is like on a cz, but it's gotta be better than that.
 
Bushbum40 said:
Here's a detail folks have missed about the savage-the mags are crap. If you load them and then drop em on a hard surface, boom mag is toast. They are stamped together and split open easily. Ask me how i know. The upswing is that they are usually readily available and are pretty cheap. I also don't know what the mag is like on a cz, but it's gotta be better than that.
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Hmm, mine have been dropped numerous times, thrown around, and not signs of them coming apart...

The savage does what it does very well at an affordable price. But you get what you pay for. The finishing is not the best, and I ended up having to deburr and polish the bolt/action on mine. Still sloppy compared to a CZ. The 455 american is a very nice .22 indeed... I think one may still and up in my safe one day.... But for the pinking I do, and my need/want of other guns, my Savage will do for now.

I did find myself in a position where I wanted to sell the savage for a CZ. But having the Savage out a few more times changed my mind... It is DEADLY accurate with CCI Mini Mags, and CCI standard LR.

If i do get a CZ it will be my range .22, and the Savage, will remain the woods plinker that it is... (this is the ONLY advantage to having a fisher price stock on it)
 
bobtodrick said:
If you want a gun to shoot and not worry about the odd nick or scratch, get the Savage.
If you want something to cherish and hand down to your kids...go with the CZ. The wood is usually beautiful and they just feel nice...but it WON'T SHOOT ANY BETTER.
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Depends what kind of person you are. All of mine get used the same no matter what they are. I didnt buy them to sit in the safe

Grizzlypeg said:
I prefer CZ and have both an American and a Varmint. I considered a Savage, but thought they looked too rough for the money. I would give the Savage the advantage in that an Accutrigger is superior to an untouched CZ trigger, but that's only if you dont' want to tinker. One of mine is a 453 and it has a single set trigger that needed no modification, but I wouldn't say its better than a doctored 452 trigger, just "out of the box".
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I found the triggers on my cz to be alot nice then the accutrigger. Most of the time I taped the blade down but it was still creepy as hell.
 
ReVoR said:
Boyd's will no longer ship the Tacticool stocks to Canada.
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No but it can be ordered directly from Savage.

I just bought a Savage BSEV with the Boyd's Evolution stock and the stainless fluted barrel.
I think I got a fair deal at $499.95
I've only put 50 rounds through it last night at 50y and I must say it shoots better than I do.
I haven't shot off of a bench since the fall and I'm really out of practice.
It costs me 10% of what it costs to shoot my Savage 10BA and is just as challenging.
I should have bought a rimfire sooner.

PS: by purchasing a Savage rimfire we're also buying Canadian.
 
Either way, I think you'll do better on longer shots with a heavy barrel.

I haven't had any issues with magazines but the CZ mags are heavier and seem more solid. I like the red follower on Savage mags however, the polished CZ follower isn't hard to see.

CZ's have lapped and honed barrels if that matters to you.

If you're going to reach out there, a 20 MOA base will help, especially if your scope doesn't have much elevation adjustment. Mil dot reticle would also be useful.

Good luck!

SD
 
OP,

Sorry but I didn't even bother to read your post. Just from the title of the thread & with no further information, I can safely respond with CZ is my final answer...
 
Bushbum40 said:
Here's a detail folks have missed about the savage-the mags are crap. If you load them and then drop em on a hard surface, boom mag is toast. They are stamped together and split open easily. Ask me how i know. The upswing is that they are usually readily available and are pretty cheap. I also don't know what the mag is like on a cz, but it's gotta be better than that.
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I have found a way to solve that problem. I dont drop my loaded mags on the ground or floor. Seems to work for me.
 
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