Another CZ vs Savage...................sorry

Youngfreshtoodeath said:
CZ are way better then savage... You can't even compare the two.
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I have both, a 452 Varmint and a MkII BV. I agree that the the CZ is better made and probably uses better materials. However, the Savage shoots as well at 60% of the cost of the CZ. There is a place for both.

Regarding mags, I've owned four Mk IIs and used a dozen or so different mags and have never had a problem with one. The steel CZ mags are beautiful pieces of work, very heavily built, maybe overbuilt.
 
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762shooter said:
I have both, a 452 Varmint and a MkII BV. I agree that the the CZ is better made and probably uses better materials. However, the Savage shoots as well at 60% of the cost of the CZ. There is a place for both.

Regarding mags, I've owned four Mk IIs and used a dozen or so different mags and have never had a problem with one. The steel CZ mags are beautiful pieces of work, very heavily built, maybe overbuilt.
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That pretty well tells it as it is!! I have 2 Savages, 2 CZ 452's American and a Varmint and 3 Anschutz and they all shoot great, some just a little better than other's.
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
CZ are way better then savage... You can't even compare the two.
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I would agree for fit and finish that CZ is a better gun... BUT at the range, try to convince the target that CZ is better... I own both (and a half dozen other makes)... My MOST accurate rimfire is a Savage FV that I converted to a BTV and bedded... I have worked over every gun that I have owned, including the CZ's (crunchy triggers)... and Savage's will hold their own in the accuracy department.

3dmark said:
Agree 100 percent
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saskcop said:
I too am thinking that comparing a savage to a CZ is apples to oranges. CZ all the way.
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The comparison is only apples to oranges on the "out of the box fit and finish..." CZ is a fine, well made gun... I have a 452 Varmint and 453 American and love them both... but they see the woods more than the range, whereas my Savage rifles see the range more than the woods...
 
762shooter said:
I have both, a 452 Varmint and a MkII BV. I agree that the the CZ is better made and probably uses better materials. However, the Savage shoots as well at 60% of the cost of the CZ. There is a place for both.

Regarding mags, I've owned four Mk IIs and used a dozen or so different mags and have never had a problem with one. The steel CZ mags are beautiful pieces of work, very heavily built, maybe overbuilt.
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Exactly. My only criticism of Savage is that I think they're great guns when there is value attached to them. With their prices creeping up, they're making less sense to me these days. I'm down to 2 Savage rimfires, and my only centerfire is a Savage too. Superb accuracy from it, and the rimfires are good too. My next centerfire will be a CZ.
 
My lakefield is an oldy but its very similar to a savage and it shoots great. I bought a cz 452 american and It was unsafe out of the box.first time at the range I put about 100 rounds through it and a 1/4 of the shots I would pull the trigger and nothing would happen. I then go to grab the bolt to open it and bam it goes off. I returned it that day. I love my 75 shadow and I was very dissapointed to have to return it.
 
I own am FVSR and just purchased a BV (still unfired) but the fvsr is so friggin accurate, and the BV Looks and feels so nice, I see absolutely no reason to spend $2-300 more on a cz.
(Besides I think the cz's are ugly)
 
Reading all of the replys I have garnered that the CZ is by far a better manufactured gun. Better in fit and finnish and overall appeal.
The Savage not as clean and refined but function is good.
Both on any given day will shoot close to cloverleafs at 40-50 yards.


I am going to the store to see and hold both. If I can, I will go into the range there and shoot both. As I do use my 22 for chickens, Rough and spruce grouse, when moose hunting they will get nicks and dings. That happens and I don't worry much about it. I am not much for safe queens not to say that I beat my firearms. I take particular attention to keep an accurate firearm accurate but they do get scratched. I have currently as stated 2 savages now and like them both however the only thing savage remaining on them is the action. They are re barreled with 26" precission barrels with custom chambers, recoil lugs, stocks, bedded and have shot nothing but hand loads. I think the Lapua brass and bergers are a great combo. Waiting for the weather to break to do the 100 yard challenge. I think it can happen or get real close if I do my part.

I like the sound of the CZ being more "real gun feeling" as I do find some 22's feel in hand like toys. But what I am looking for is the accuracy down range. If that came from a blow gun (prohibited in Canada) this is what I would want. For the savings of a couple hundred dollars and not a great deal of accuracy benifit this does, as stated by one of you, afford me to spend more on glass which is where I have found further accuracy comes from. I have purchased for the first time on my other builds expensive glass and found that putting good glass on a rifle provided smaller groups with all else being the same. On a side note to this, I should have never looked through the Schmidt and Bender on my freinds rifle and I dare say neither should any of you if the opportunity presents its self. This could lead to scope envy and the loss of loads of cash, they are fantastic. I don't have one but one can dream.

Thanks for the replies,
Dino
 
Great choice - handle them both. I was in your situation last year I bought a Remington 597, great gun that I am now selling because I picked up a bolt action .22LR. My choice was between the exact two guns you are looking at. I wanted a reliable .22 as it would be the gun I likely shot most.

I held and fired both ahead of time the CZ 452 Lux and American. And the Savage BV. They are all great guns, and they shot well. I ended up going with the CZ 455 Varmint with the thumbhole laminate stock. It felt great in my hands and the varmint barrel gave it the weight I wanted. It is a tack driver and will fire anything I put into it. I have not had a single misfire, failure to extract or failure to feed.

While I love the savage, even advised my friend to buy one as his first rifle. If I had to buy another 22 it would be a CZ again and again.
 
[QUOTE=DinoS;8450261]Reading all of the replys I have garnered that the CZ is by far a better manufactured gun. Better in fit and finnish and overall appeal.
The Savage not as clean and refined but function is good.
Both on any given day will shoot close to cloverleafs at 40-50 yards.


I am going to the store to see and hold both. If I can, I will go into the range there and shoot both. As I do use my 22 for chickens, Rough and spruce grouse, when moose hunting they will get nicks and dings. That happens and I don't worry much about it. I am not much for safe queens not to say that I beat my firearms. I take particular attention to keep an accurate firearm accurate but they do get scratched. I have currently as stated 2 savages now and like them both however the only thing savage remaining on them is the action. They are re barreled with 26" precission barrels with custom chambers, recoil lugs, stocks, bedded and have shot nothing but hand loads. I think the Lapua brass and bergers are a great combo. Waiting for the weather to break to do the 100 yard challenge. I think it can happen or get real close if I do my part.

I like the sound of the CZ being more "real gun feeling" as I do find some 22's feel in hand like toys. But what I am looking for is the accuracy down range. If that came from a blow gun (prohibited in Canada) this is what I would want. For the savings of a couple hundred dollars and not a great deal of accuracy benifit this does, as stated by one of you, afford me to spend more on glass which is where I have found further accuracy comes from. I have purchased for the first time on my other builds expensive glass and found that putting good glass on a rifle provided smaller groups with all else being the same. On a side note to this, I should have never looked through the Schmidt and Bender on my freinds rifle and I dare say neither should any of you if the opportunity presents its self. This could lead to scope envy and the loss of loads of cash, they are fantastic. I don't have one but one can dream.

Thanks for the replies,
Dino[/QUOTE]

Excellent thread, comes down to both are fine firearms, you can't really go wrong with either.

I have a CZ American and love it but would not get all snobby if a nice Savage came my way.
 
just for ####s and giggles .put a salvage ,cz, 10/22, rem and any other target grade 22 in a shooting vice and test them.take the idiot behind the trigger out of the equation!
 
DinoS said:
Reading all of the replys I have garnered that the CZ is by far a better manufactured gun. Better in fit and finnish and overall appeal.
The Savage not as clean and refined but function is good.
Both on any given day will shoot close to cloverleafs at 40-50 yards.

I am going to the store to see and hold both.

I like the sound of the CZ being more "real gun feeling" as I do find some 22's feel in hand like toys. Dino
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Be sure to compare a Savage in a LAMINATE stock to the CZ... it will be a more apples-apples comparison... the laminate stocked Savage rifles do not feel like toys. I am not a fan of the synthetic tupperware stocks and have changed all my Savage rifles to Boyd's stocks.
 
hoytcanon===the real gun feeling is from a posted response but I do have to say that the plastic stocks do feel this way. I will look at the laminate to compare.
 
DinoS said:
hoytcanon===the real gun feeling is from a posted response but I do have to say that the plastic stocks do feel this way. I will look at the laminate to compare.
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Having said that though... A good way to go is to buy the most inexpensive version (G, F, GV or FV) and upgrade to a Boyds stock of your choosing... you will get something a little more unique at a great price;

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I wish someone made a "Normal" wood replacement stock... Those Fancy boyds stocks are differnt, but not my style. If I could get a plain, good quality, walnut stock for my Savage, I'd be happy...

I been keeping an eye out for original wood stocks that have been taken off, but slim to none... And the stock - stocks are Monte Carlo, which really doesnt float my boat either...
 
Try Richard's Microfit.They may have something you like.And take a look in their closeouts.Just be prepared to do some work as they are not finished stocks but are inlet.
 
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