another first handgun thread...

vermintrex said:
Sorry you've had bad luck but there's nothing wrong with US Sigs..every manufacturer has QC issues from time to time. Sig has a long standing reputation for reliability and quality..in my experience reported issues are typically blown massively out of proportion due to internet hysteria and misinformation. I'd also venture an opinion that if one can't master a safety or de-cocker I'd recommend they don't handle any firearm period.
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You would be surprised how many new shooters I've seen have trouble with things that we consider small, such as a safety or decocker. I've seen a guy blow a hole three feet in front of him because he had the safety on and panicked because he thought the weapon was already jammed. As for Sigs, I never said there was anything wrong, I simply stated I would not recommend them as I've purchased two this year alone that had incredible problems. The second one was a new E2 226 which had the frame machined too long to the point where it had light primer strikes 75% of the time because the hammer barely made contact on the firing pin. IMHO, this is unnacceptable for any firearms, let alone one that costs $975 and has a signature signed for QC and test firing.
 
ekp said:
It looks like they have CZ 75B Omega. Can't tell how does it compare to the standard 75B.
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I've wondered this as well. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
And that is a great price from Blueline, they must be the importer or they're possibly smuggling them into Canada.
 
TK-Hryciuk said:
You would be surprised how many new shooters I've seen have trouble with things that we consider small, such as a safety or decocker. I've seen a guy blow a hole three feet in front of him because he had the safety on and panicked because he thought the weapon was already jammed. As for Sigs, I never said there was anything wrong, I simply stated I would not recommend them as I've purchased two this year alone that had incredible problems. The second one was a new E2 226 which had the frame machined too long to the point where it had light primer strikes 75% of the time because the hammer barely made contact on the firing pin. IMHO, this is unnacceptable for any firearms, let alone one that costs $975 and has a signature signed for QC and test firing.
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I stand by my opinion...this guy should take up fishing before he kills someone. There's no room for operator error when handing firearms..FTF's, FTE's, squibs etc. are gonna happen...accidental firings because you don't know what you are doing are completely unacceptable.

As for your poor experience with Sig..it's understandable you would be skeptical and I hope and expect Sig took care of your issues. Still, Sig makes literally tens of thousands of firearms every year that have zero issues and perform exactly as intended for their entire designed lifetime if properly maintained...as do most modern firearms Sig or otherwise.
 
I completely agree with your opinion that these types of people should either, be educated as to proper firearm handling, or take up another sport. It pains me to say it, but with so many new shooters getting into the sport because of video games, I am sometimes afraid to stand on the firing line with younger guys. I had one young guy beside me limp wrist his pistol, and instead of taking a half step to be parallel to the range, he simply turned the firearm sideways and racked it, not to mention it was a glock which doesn't have a manual safety. I would also like to note that I extend my unreccommendation to US Sig, I've never had a problem with a German Sig, even the ones you see that are the older 80's style refurbished police pistols. But I understand that everyone has different views on firearms, but from my experience with US Sig, and getting two lemons back to back and not to mention that when I brought it to my local gun shops attention they discovered that the every other pistol from the same batch had the same problems, I'm going to stand by honest view that US Sig QC is nowhere near on par as other manufacturers.
 
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I believe all Stainless frames and well as some alloy frames are still made in Germany but this is ending very shortly. I have a few SIGs, never an issue with any of them, not one.
 
The gun on blue lines website appears to be an omega, if you look closely in the pictures.
 
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As I understand it, the Omega's have a simplified trigger mechanism that didn't go very far in terms of popularity. I would avoid them.

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One thing I remember from handling the Hi Power and CZ, the Browning's slide was a little loose. I didn't try and shake it but just gripped it and noticed some side-to-side play. Is this normal or was that gun a little off? The cheaper CZ's slide was extremely tight. Not that a slightly loose slide is the end of the world, just wondering if that's par for the course with HP's. BTW it was a new gun.
 
dugasgunner said:
2 beautiful classics you will love. I'm with you in your suffering.
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I appreciate that. I wouldn't wish this pain on my worst enemy.
After seeing some of the suggestions here, I will make sure to look at some other guns as well
Sig P226
Remington R1 1911
Ruger Vaquero
Glock 17... just kidding

The floppyness of the Ruger SR1911 is keeping me from considering it, although I am probably going to stay away from all 45 guns because of cost, at least for now.
 
Einhander13 said:
I appreciate that. I wouldn't wish this pain on my worst enemy.
After seeing some of the suggestions here, I will make sure to look at some other guns as well
Sig P226
Remington R1 1911
Ruger Vaquero
Glock 17... just kidding

The floppyness of the Ruger SR1911 is keeping me from considering it, although I am probably going to stay away from all 45 guns because of cost, at least for now.
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I give it 6 months after the first purchase before you pick up a .45. Nothing says freedom like a .45, who cares about the cost and it not being that practical anymore (in my opinion). That being said I still think a .45 is a must have for any gun owner, just like a .22 and a 12 guage. You just NEED to have them as part of your collection. . . . or your #### will fall off
 
celtic1123 said:
I give it 6 months after the first purchase before you pick up a .45. Nothing says freedom like a .45, who cares about the cost and it not being that practical anymore (in my opinion). That being said I still think a .45 is a must have for any gun owner, just like a .22 and a 12 guage. You just NEED to have them as part of your collection. . . . or your #### will fall off
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I could afford 45, I'm just not willing to spend that much on ammo right now, and 9mm in a steel frame gun will probably be better for a first gun anyway.
 
No one is suggesting the Beretta PX4 F? (or Inox) Its a really nice gun and Awesome looking! I am also looking to buy a first hand gun and possibly a NR Beretta CX4 9mm to share amo and clips.

I am also looking at:
SW M&P Kit 9mm with 3 clips
Springfield XdM 5.25 Comp 9mm
 
ChiWaWa said:
No one is suggesting the Beretta PX4 F? (or Inox) Its a really nice gun and Awesome looking! I am also looking to buy a first hand gun and possibly a NR Beretta CX4 9mm to share amo and clips.

I am also looking at:
SW M&P Kit 9mm with 3 clips
Springfield XdM 5.25 Comp 9mm
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I'm just looking to get one of the classics as a first handgun, such as a Hi Power, CZ or 1911.

My only consideration so far for a newer design has been the FN FNP-45 USG.
 
You might want to check out what Cabalas, just so you can handle a few different pistols, a friend of mine just bought a Sig p226 from them for $870, one hell of a deal. He originally wanted a CZ75 but for the extra $80 the Sig was defiantly worth it. BTW I just got 1000 rounds of .45ACP from "Canadian Ammo" for just over $340 shipped after tax, at that price its cheaper, it then 9mm. I just got a SR1911 from P&D Enterprise for $700 and I am very impressed so far with the quality of gun for the money.
 
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