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I was offered this Luger yesterday (pics are not great I didn't take them). It is a 1941 byf coded Luger, WW2 bring back from my brother's wife's father. Nobody knew he had it and now I'm the closest to "Keeping it in the family" they have. Has pretty much been sitting in a locked cabinet since 1945. I have no prohib status, it would have to be rebarrelled. I will try to get more pics, but for now does this seem like a good candidate for conversion to restricted?



 
Your brothers wife should get her restricted PAL. I'm not sure if it can be passed to inlaws but blood relatives don't need prohib status to keep the gun as is. If you want to re-barrel it for your self that would be the next best thing.
 
Can-down said:
Your brothers wife should get her restricted PAL. I'm not sure if it can be passed to inlaws but blood relatives don't need prohib status to keep the gun as is. If you want to re-barrel it for your self that would be the next best thing.
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Hmm... I think I know what you're saying (12.7 prohib class), but I BELIEVE the gun would have had to be properly registered before a certain date to someone with 12.6. I don't believe prohibs are able to be 'added' to the system anymore if they weren't previously registered. Ie: not the same as finding a previously unregistered P38 and adding it to 'the registry'.
 
Well, it has a mis-matched side-plate and the wrong magazine, but it's better than any Luger I've seen here in yUK since 1997. I'd do whatever was needed to keep hold of this one.

tac
 
If it were to be eligible for a 12(6) or 12(7) buyer, the pistol would have had to have been previously registered, as it is prohibited as you know. If it has not been previously registered, the options are to have it detroyed/deactivated, or have it rebarrelled to a restricted satus and have it registered as such.
Too bad, nice P08. Mismatched sideplates are common, often broke. Hope you guys can keep her.
 
Both mine here are deactivated. The first one, an all-matching 1981 DWM, I bought in 1971. The other one, an all matching byf, in 1988. :=(

Both have holsters, too, and loaders....

The day they were handed in for deactivation, I took them to our range on base, and put a couple of hundred rounds through each of them, cleaned them up and told them 'sorry'.

Heartbusting stuff - I've been though it nine times here in yUK with my handguns that I could not bear to be parted from.

tac
 
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tacfoley said:
Both mine here are deactivated. The first one, an all-matching 1981 DWM, I bought in 1971. The other one, an all matching byf, in 1988. :=(

Both have holsters, too, and loaders....

The day they were handed in for deactivation, I took them to our range on base, and put a couple of hundred rounds through each of them, cleaned them up and told them 'sorry'.

Heartbusting stuff - I've been though it nine times here in yUK with my handguns that I could not bear to be parted from.

tac
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Ther really SHOULD be some "wriggle room" available.

It was even ADMITTED on several occasions that the RCMP, when they were looking after things, had LOST more than 30,000 registered guns. Another figure which made the newspapers was 65,000 LOST, right in the Registry.... and that all was BEFORE the New Brunswick silliness of applications being shredded because they hired the wrong people to do the job. Their own figures say that roughly a QUARTER of the Restricteds in the country have been lost, one way or another........ and, when this one came to Canada, there was only Registration and NO classes. ENTIRELY possible that it was registered in 1945 or 1946 and the records have been lost...... or flushed..... or shredded.... or overlooked..... or ignored.

They even lost one of mine, back in the late 1970s: I had had my 1911 Steyr..... WITH a carry permit..... for THREE YEARS including a change of Provinces, all legal and on paper, when they audited the dealer I bought it from...... who had proof of where he had shipped it..... then came after ME for "Unregisterd Restricted Weapon".

Fortunately, I HAD all the paperwork..... every single piece of it: permit to ship it from North Van to Lewisporte RCMP, Application for Registration, permit to take it home to Job's Cove, Certificate of Registration FROM OTTAWA, range permit every year, permit to drive to Manitoba with it, permit to take it to the range in Manitoba...... every year. If they had bothered to cross-check their own records, they would have found the error, but it's a lot more fun to threaten someone who has done EVERYTHING right.

If I had been in the "Armed Robbery" business I would not have had to do ANY of this paperwork, I would have been put to NO inconvenience, I would NOT have been threatened NOR treated like a Criminal (or worse: Criminals get the benefit of the doubt where mere "Taxpayers" do not). If I sound like a crank, it is because I have had it PROVED to me that my country treats honest Citizens worse than it treats Criminals.

Be safe, friend.
 
There was apparently SOme sort of slip with it from 1953 showing it registered as a souvenir. I don't know for sure, I'm in Brandon and the gun is in Edmonton. Guy was a hoarder so bro and wife haven't had much time to spend on the gun. Should have pics of the whole thing next week sometime. Want to put a fair value on it and look into a new restricted barrel, she doesn't want it. This not a rare model that needs to be kept as is at all costs, is it?
 
canucklehead said:
Hmm... I think I know what you're saying (12.7 prohib class), but I BELIEVE the gun would have had to be properly registered before a certain date to someone with 12.6. I don't believe prohibs are able to be 'added' to the system anymore if they weren't previously registered. Ie: not the same as finding a previously unregistered P38 and adding it to 'the registry'.
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What you believe is not fact.
The fact is that a 12.6 licence holder can acquire and enter into the system guns that are not in the system.
An example would be where an estate's executor must dispose of some unregistered pre 1946 prohibs.
They can be entered into the system, and I have that info directly from the CFO's office, although they will not offer the option unless you press the issue.
 
Paatz said:
What you believe is not fact.
The fact is that a 12.6 licence holder can acquire and enter into the system guns that are not in the system.
An example would be where an estate's executor must dispose of some unregistered pre 1946 prohibs.
They can be entered into the system, and I have that info directly from the CFO's office, although they will not offer the option unless you press the issue.
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In this rare case, I'm HAPPY to hear that I'm incorrect. :) I was not aware that previously unregistered prohibs can be added to the system. To your point - I'm guessing they MUST be pre-45/46? With a Luger it's easy... but how would you 'prove' some other gun was made pre-45 (discounting the obvious serial number/manufacturer.... but if that info isn't available?).
 
tacfoley said:
Well, it has a mis-matched side-plate and the wrong magazine, but it's better than any Luger I've seen here in yUK since 1997. I'd do whatever was needed to keep hold of this one.

tac
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Yrs ago I recall reading an account about a British WW1 veteran who had hung onto a souvenir Luger from the trenches for many yrs ,but had never fired it. He had wrested it from a German soldier in the trenches who had failed to shoot him with it. The interviewer examined the pistol and saw that it would fail to fire when the trigger was pulled. The reason, which he explained to the veteran, was that the sideplate was mis-matched and would not allow the pistol to fire. An intriguing tale, true or not, who knows? Old "toggle top" was a precision piece of work, but probably too close fitting for use as a service pistol. They are a wonderful piece of engineering and a natural "pointer" and a lot of fun to shoot.
 
Here are a couple more pictures:





Not much help, I know. There is another mag with it, which might be correct, I don't know (no pics). I'm thinking 500-600 dollars, since I'll have to pay for re-barreling as well. Does this seem about right for a price? I may not get it now anyhow, as other family members suddenly seem to think its worth thousands and don't care about keeping it in the family, blah blah blah...
 
Like Smellie said. Be safe.
I used to work with a guy who found a 1930's Luger hidden in his wall when he did a big renovation (1920's house). He turned it over....what a nightmare. One officer told him everyone's life would have been easier if he just dumped it in the ocean one night.

I'd hate to see such a nice historical specimen neutered and you with expensive legal bills for trying to do the right thing. I suspect that your legal options are a short list. Paper trail is important.
 
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