another M14 critique

jjohnwm said:
I bought mine to have fun. I'm not a soldier, won't be taking it into combat, don't expect it to be a precision target gun, can't see a situation where I will be forced to trust my life to it, and I rather enjoy tinkering and maintenance. Quite honestly, I don't think there is a single sentence in that entire excerpt that has any relevance to me.

Incidentally, professional journalists are expected to write professionally; unambiguously, clearly, in grammatically correct easy-to-understand language. That mess you quoted has none of those attributes. If the guy can't even write a few sentences professionally, why should I care about what he's trying to say?
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Well said sir!
 
madashell said:
Not my point, it's the writers.

My one sentence comment at the top is what it is. Often wish I went a different direction for a .308 semi. Even when I do will most likely not get rid of the M14's.
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OK, we get it. There's nothing to stop you from selling your M14/M305 and putting the proceeds toward an AR10 from Armalite or DPMS or just add their AR10 to your collection. It's the closest you can get to an original AR10 which is mostly prohibited here in Canuckland. Ain't it great to live in a "free" country?
 
plus , how long has it been since the guys were actually TRAINED with the m14- suppose for a minute, you're a raw recruit( read gomer) jarhead - what's the first thing in your toe- your m-16- and you live ,love, and breathe with that m16 for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week- there's not one second you are without that rifle unless you want to do parade square duty- now you get to unit and some idiot "decides" that you're going to be the dm- designated marksman- and you're handed a 12 or better pound rifle to tote around( news, folks, you actually have to carry that load) and be accurate with instead of your sweet little 16- OF COURSE , you're going to b*TCH ABOUT IT- EVERY THING ABOUT IT-and from the sounds of things, these are viet nam rack grade turn-ins instead of being properly re- built at an armory or other facility- they would have caught a lot of the complaints at initial armory inspection- things like loose handguards, etc- rifles that were "out back' and meant for rebuild or destruction and got "short circuited" to the front line- those of us that have the Israeli surplus ones have no such complaints-
 
Selection of the M 14 was a very political debate, followed by the even more political debate about adoption of the m 16. Lots of people with irons in the fire on both sides.

Grizz
 
I like my M14 clone. You could say.... I have grown accustom to her PING!

Given a choice, I still prefer the FAL.

M
 
Whole lot of whining in that article. Focusing so much on accuracy when during the Vietnam war it was estimated that 50,000 were fired per kill and I see some articles claiming 250,000 are fired now in the middle east per kill. Still far more accurate than an SKS or AK. I find it far simpler to strip and clean than an AR as well.

Much of the issues were on improper machining and tooling, not the guns fault.
 
Old news. If it competed well with modern AR10s we would see more use of it. A 60s muscle car doesn't compare performance and comfort wise with a 2015.
 
I have a Norinco M305. It is one of the earlier one to be sold here. Got it from Marstar around 2002. Full length version with wood stock. A friend of mine has a Springfield select fire version. One day we sat both of them side by side. The only noticeable difference was the selector switch that mine (because we live in the people's democratic republic of Canada) does not have. Mine shoots great, is great looking, and is accurate enough to get anything done that I need done. I think it's a great battle rifle and I love it. No doubt, I would rather have a Springfield version, but that's out of the question right now. I really can't understand why anyone would bash this gun.
 
RifleDude said:
OK, we get it. There's nothing to stop you from selling your M14/M305 and putting the proceeds toward an AR10 from Armalite or DPMS or just add their AR10 to your collection. It's the closest you can get to an original AR10 which is mostly prohibited here in Canuckland. Ain't it great to live in a "free" country?
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Oh I like my M14's, won't be selling. Wayyyyyyy too much money into em, would never recover enough to make it worth while !

As for a .308 AR I'd prefer the DPMS Recon G2 for an AR10 "type" rifle (meaning .308 AR). "Free country".... this place is turning into a POS more and more everyday. Gun laws are only one reason.
 
Cranky Pants said:
Whole lot of whining in that article. Focusing so much on accuracy when during the Vietnam war it was estimated that 50,000 were fired per kill and I see some articles claiming 250,000 are fired now in the middle east per kill. Still far more accurate than an SKS or AK. I find it far simpler to strip and clean than an AR as well.

Much of the issues were on improper machining and tooling, not the guns fault.
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Agreed, lots of whining in that article. Just because I posted it doesn't mean I agree with all of it. Some of it I thought was total non-sense.
 
Ok, the most important take away for me was the repeated point of being very difficult to maintain accuracy. (rest of the article I found mostly entertaining).

To turn a negative article into a positive lets look at that objectively;

I've encountered that "difficult to maintain accuracy" point in countless negative articles, and I'm sure many of you have as well.

From a down and dirty combat perspective, that might be a very valid point. Given this, what parts swap and key maintenance (short of a shot out barrel or obvious broken part) do you believe to be essential to maintain accuracy ? Not so much function, but accuracy ? This single point shows up over and over again. Must be a reason for that. Can't all be coming from AR loving M14 hatters.

Maybe if we had to use our M14's in these conditions we might just have the same complaint.
 
madashell said:
Ok, the most important take away for me was the repeated point of being very difficult to maintain accuracy. (rest of the article I found mostly entertaining).

To turn a negative article into a positive lets look at that objectively;

I've encountered that "difficult to maintain accuracy" point in countless negative articles, and I'm sure many of you have as well.

From a down and dirty combat perspective, that might be a very valid point. Given this, what parts swap and key maintenance (short of a shot out barrel or obvious broken part) do you believe to be essential to maintain accuracy ? Not so much function, but accuracy ? This single point shows up over and over again. Must be a reason for that. Can't all be coming from AR loving M14 hatters.

Maybe if we had to use our M14's in these conditions we might just have the same complaint.
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^There are numerous stickies regarding this very same subject at the top of this sub forum main page.

Take some reading time maybe?

Cheers
 
Brutus said:
^There are numerous stickies regarding this very same subject at the top of this sub forum main page.

Take some reading time maybe?

Cheers
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I've read em all, done all the mods. Have to drag my M14 's through a bunch of mud and beat em over the noggins of dozens of Marxists to answer the "maintain accuracy" question I guess.
 
^I love my Polytech too. But I remember a documentry international sniper competition that several countries were participating in, early post 911.

Three I am very sure of; UK, Canada and the USA. The Green Berets came in dead last with their M21s.
They performed okay at out to 700 meters. Then the bolt guns from other two nations clearly left them in the dust at any distance beyond this.

just info
 
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