Another transportation question.

Exactly why I asked here. Gun retailer where I bought them said I was good to go, friend says he talked to folks that said otherwise. I would call but I wanted to go Sunday and nobody at the cfo office until Monday. I didn't even know I'd be getting a transfer notice. Thought it would be the registration certificate. Still undecided. I started this ball rolling waaayyyy back in November (when I took the course) so what's another week or two. Sounds almost as if it's the LEO's discretion how difficult he wants to make things. Ill let you all know.
 
So, to further muddy the puddle, I was in the same position as the OP a month or so ago. I called Miramichi and asked the question. Was told I must wait until the registration certificate arrived.
I also called the CFO in my province of residence, Nova Scotia, asked the same question. Was told that as long as I had the transfer notice I could legally go to the range, or any of the destinations listed under the RPAL non-standard conditions. Incidentally, they were super nice people to talk to on any of the occasions I've had to call them. I was treated like a responsible, law abiding citizen with a legitimate question. Other provinces could learn from their example, whether they were correct or not.

What I actually did doesn't matter, within a couple days my registration certificate arrived and it became a moot point.

It WOULD be nice if all the good people involved in the system had the same answer to the question, however.

If you really feel brave, try calling the local constabulary and ask them what they would do if they happened to check you and you had only the transfer notice, not the official registration. It might be a very enlightening conversation.
 
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weasel1 said:
if you call the CFO ten times, you can get 6 different answers.
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Yup.... been there, done that!

Came to the conclusion: Use common sense and due diligence with respect to the intent of the laws.

If that makes any sense. Intent being the key word.


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FA says must have reg cert

CFO says TAN is good to go, some say need cert

FA is the law in Canada

So unless someone can post the section of the FA that says a CFO can over rule the CCC/FA we are left with the fact that to legally transport a restricted firearm you require the reg cert.

Why you people continue to call the firearms center and ask the secretaries that answer the phones, legal questions. And then act on it despite what the CCC states in black and white is mind boggling. You guys do realize that there is only one CFO per province and the person that answers the phone is not the CFO right?

Shawn
 
I'm sure everyone understands that but by virtue of answering the question without hesitation it would seem to me the answer should be valid. Every piece of paper we own tells us to call the cfo for further info or visit the website. The ccc is not really layman friendly, hell it's not even lawyer friendly. It's not like the person at the office said "sorry I dont know" or "I'll find that info and get back to you" They say yes it's fine or no, you must wait. Here's another question...Could it be ok in NS and not in NB? Hmmmmmm (strokes beard thoughtfully)?
 
Outback2970 said:
I'm sure everyone understands that but by virtue of answering the question without hesitation it would seem to me the answer should be valid. Every piece of paper we own tells us to call the cfo for further info or visit the website. The ccc is not really layman friendly, hell it's not even lawyer friendly. It's not like the person at the office said "sorry I dont know" or "I'll find that info and get back to you" They say yes it's fine or no, you must wait. Here's another question...Could it be ok in NS and not in NB? Hmmmmmm (strokes beard thoughtfully)?
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Apparently they dont, when what they are told directly contradicts the FA and the CCC and they do it any way.

If you are charged do you think that the secretary in the CFC or the CFC will be there to defend you in court?

Shawn
 
Outback2970 said:
All calls are recorded. :)
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LOL ok

Go ahead and do an ATI on yourself let us know all the recordings you get

There are two things you are willfully ignoring:

1) just because they say they record the call does not mean they do
2)if it is recorded does not mean they keep the recording or how long they keep if for

They do not have unlimited data storage for the ten of thousands of hours of phone conversations that take place at the CFC or the budget to store said data indefinitely

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Shawn constantly refers to CFO staff as "secretaries" or call-centre workers. I cannot speak to Miramichi folks, but the staff you speak to on the phone when doing transfers or ATTs are in fact firearms officers. Not sworn LEOs, but designated firearms officers. Not as he has claimed in other threads, "information officers".

FF
 
I called my CFO and asked, you MUST wait for the actual registration to transport. The Notification of Transfer is only good to take it from the point of purchase to your primary residence.

Other people will tell you different, cite sources, etc.

I prefer to call and ask for myself. Feel free to do the same.
 
FyreFighter said:
Shawn constantly refers to CFO staff as "secretaries" or call-centre workers. I cannot speak to Miramichi folks, but the staff you speak to on the phone when doing transfers or ATTs are in fact firearms officers. Not sworn LEOs, but designated firearms officers. Not as he has claimed in other threads, "information officers".

FF
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You can call them what ever you want they are still not the CFO and have no authority to interpret firearms act, give legal advise or lay charges. And go a head and post up that they are all firearms officers, they are not, they are "firearms information officers", which is a fancy word for secretary. They are two very different things with two very different jobs, powers and responsibilities as per the act.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
You can call them what ever you want they are still not the CFO
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There's only one CFO because that's the CHIEF firearms officer. He designates others to be Firearms Officers.


and have no authority to interpret firearms act,
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Because they are not judges.

give legal advise
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Because they are not lawyers

or lay charges.
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Because they are not Crown Attorneys

And go a head and post up that they are all firearms officers, they are not, they are "firearms information officers", which is a fancy word for secretary. They are two very different things with two very different jobs, powers and responsibilities as per the act.
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There is no "firearms information officer" in the Act. And check their title in any email you get from them. It will say "firearms officer". Not secretary, clerk, information officer or other title.

When I call the CFO to inquire about overdue transfers or other matters, I do not call the 800 number but the Orillia office. I get transferred from the secretary (who can look up the status of transfers and other basic info) to Kerri or Andre or one of the other firearms officers who actually approve or deny transfers. You think information officers or secretaries approve or deny transfers?
 
Well I think the moral here is get it in writing or take your chances. Yet another grey area. BTW I was joking when I said calls are recorded. I also think intent would play a big role. Nobody in this situation is trying to get away with something underhanded, all the proof that everything is legit is still on the paper and you're rpal. But none the less I'll play it safe.
 
Outback2970 said:
I'm sure everyone understands that but by virtue of answering the question without hesitation it would seem to me the answer should be valid. Every piece of paper we own tells us to call the cfo for further info or visit the website. The ccc is not really layman friendly, hell it's not even lawyer friendly. It's not like the person at the office said "sorry I dont know" or "I'll find that info and get back to you" They say yes it's fine or no, you must wait. Here's another question...Could it be ok in NS and not in NB? Hmmmmmm (strokes beard thoughtfully)?
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It could well be. Provincial CFO's have wide powers under the FA to "regulate". Hence the widely varying policies in different provinces.

Logic would seem to dictate that if the transfer approval document with the new registration number printed on it satisfies the requirements of the FA to have possession of the firearm on the way home (or in your possession at home) it would suffice to have possession at the range. However, logic and common sense often has little to do with Canadian firearms regulations.
 
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Why do people still ask questions on these forums. You always have guys saying yes and then others saying no........just call and check yourself.
I stopped asking questions months ago when I was hit with an infraction for asking a question about a company that is a sponsor here - simple question and bang...."don't question that company's ethics". Others ask similar questions and nothing happens to them so I'm done with the questions on why this or why that.
 
We would have been better off having Lewis Carroll write Canada's Firearm Regs.

At least they would have been more clear than they are now.......... :)

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