Anschutz 1761
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A very interesting platform.. biggest negative, NOT drilling and tapping for a scope base. I don't think Anschutz understands that the current rimfire competition market in NA wants LR capability
2nd will be a lack of stocks/chassis that will help in the precision rimfire game. By going to a unique inletting, unless Anschutz offers these at a smoking good price, most will go with commonality in the NA aftermarket.
I like a number of design features in this rifle and think it would do well IF Anschutz works hard to help the aftermarket support this platform... and changes the action to allow for canted scope bases
I see it doing very well in the rimfire hunting market
Jerry
A very interesting platform.. biggest negative, NOT drilling and tapping for a scope base. I don't think Anschutz understands that the current rimfire competition market in NA wants LR capability
2nd will be a lack of stocks/chassis that will help in the precision rimfire game. By going to a unique inletting, unless Anschutz offers these at a smoking good price, most will go with commonality in the NA aftermarket.
I like a number of design features in this rifle and think it would do well IF Anschutz works hard to help the aftermarket support this platform... and changes the action to allow for canted scope bases
I see it doing very well in the rimfire hunting market
Jerry
The 1761 has been available in Canada for a couple of months at Nordic Marksman.
The thing is that this model is even more expensive than the 64 action Anschutz rifles it is replacing. Those 64 action rifles, as good as they are, were too expensive for many shooters. It's an uphill struggle when many shooters view a .22LR as a something relatively inexpensive. On top of that a lot of shooters may be drawn to a more "tactical" looking rifle than any Anschutz. Walnut and blued steel may not have the same appeal that it once seemed to have, especially to many "tactical-minded" shooters.
Agreed on the expense. Would love to have a 1712 but......
But in the attempt to get Annie accuracy I see lots of money being spent on new barrels, chassis, etc. I put a stop to doing that on my 455 because I am wondering if it is diminishing returns on accuracy when I just bite the bullet and purchase something new. Hence my curiosity on the Bergara vs the 1761.
But in the attempt to get Annie accuracy I see lots of money being spent on new barrels, chassis, etc. I put a stop to doing that on my 455 because I am wondering if it is diminishing returns on accuracy when I just bite the bullet and purchase something new. Hence my curiosity on the Bergara vs the 1761.
Here is a short report on the Anschutz 1761. I had the opportunity to test run a prototype model last year.
I mounted a 36X Sightron on the sporter stock and shot off a soft Caldwell front sandbag, and a Protector rear bag. Shooting was done at 50yds outside, temp 6C, wind around 10km.
I tried several types of SK and Lapua ammo. Results following.
I won't go into the spec details of the rifle. They are available at the Anschutz and Nordic sites.
The overall finish of the metal and wood was excellent. And stock fit was precise. As expected from Anschutz. The enlarged trigger guard is a good feature; nice if you need some extra room with gloves in the winter. Too bad it is polymer mfg, but a metal one is available as replacement. But it works.
The magazine release is much better. I really liked it. I have some difficulty with the mag release found on the 1700 series; just a bit too stiff and small to get a good purchase. The 1761 is so much easier to release the magazine. I like the extended look of the magazine. And with several competitive models with much larger mags, it fits right in.
The trigger works like an Anschutz; was crisp. I left it as factory set, but it can be adjusted.
The stock is more like a sporter. I prefer one somewhat heavier, since all of my shooting is off the bench these days. I hear that Anschutz is planning to come out with a heavier design , maybe like the MPR? Stay tuned. But again, it works. Easy to transport in the field and enough to shoot quite well off the bench.
The 1761 action is a completely new design and looks like a lot of thought has been put into it. There are lots of pics on the net showing details on it. It is shorter, totally different from the 64 design which it replaces. I think it will become the new base platform. The flat action base is a good design, especially if one want to bed it. The bolt lift is 60degree. An improvement. The action cycles very well.
Bottom line: I really liked it, but a heavier stock would be 'my' preference. It makes for an awesome sporter rifle. And it I think would hold its own against a lot of other gear out there.
So, hope this gives you some insight into the 1761.
Ok, some shooting results: All 10shot groups at 50yds.
SKBiathlon 0.487", Lapua Polar Biathlon 0.520", SK Flatnose Basic 0.548", SK Flatnose Match 0.461", Eley Match Black Box 0.474", SK Rifle Match 0.609"; had one flyer and with the rest it was 0.410...maybe me?? Would still be covered with a dime. Also fired 19bulls on a IBS50 target I had on hand, that has .50" bull and 1mm X dot; it shot 190x19. I'll take that any day. With some more shooting and break in, wouldn't be surprised to see even better. All groups are c/c measurement.
So, hope you find this informative and hopefully a good read.
Best Regards, V.
I mounted a 36X Sightron on the sporter stock and shot off a soft Caldwell front sandbag, and a Protector rear bag. Shooting was done at 50yds outside, temp 6C, wind around 10km.
I tried several types of SK and Lapua ammo. Results following.
I won't go into the spec details of the rifle. They are available at the Anschutz and Nordic sites.
The overall finish of the metal and wood was excellent. And stock fit was precise. As expected from Anschutz. The enlarged trigger guard is a good feature; nice if you need some extra room with gloves in the winter. Too bad it is polymer mfg, but a metal one is available as replacement. But it works.
The magazine release is much better. I really liked it. I have some difficulty with the mag release found on the 1700 series; just a bit too stiff and small to get a good purchase. The 1761 is so much easier to release the magazine. I like the extended look of the magazine. And with several competitive models with much larger mags, it fits right in.
The trigger works like an Anschutz; was crisp. I left it as factory set, but it can be adjusted.
The stock is more like a sporter. I prefer one somewhat heavier, since all of my shooting is off the bench these days. I hear that Anschutz is planning to come out with a heavier design , maybe like the MPR? Stay tuned. But again, it works. Easy to transport in the field and enough to shoot quite well off the bench.
The 1761 action is a completely new design and looks like a lot of thought has been put into it. There are lots of pics on the net showing details on it. It is shorter, totally different from the 64 design which it replaces. I think it will become the new base platform. The flat action base is a good design, especially if one want to bed it. The bolt lift is 60degree. An improvement. The action cycles very well.
Bottom line: I really liked it, but a heavier stock would be 'my' preference. It makes for an awesome sporter rifle. And it I think would hold its own against a lot of other gear out there.
So, hope this gives you some insight into the 1761.
Ok, some shooting results: All 10shot groups at 50yds.
SKBiathlon 0.487", Lapua Polar Biathlon 0.520", SK Flatnose Basic 0.548", SK Flatnose Match 0.461", Eley Match Black Box 0.474", SK Rifle Match 0.609"; had one flyer and with the rest it was 0.410...maybe me?? Would still be covered with a dime. Also fired 19bulls on a IBS50 target I had on hand, that has .50" bull and 1mm X dot; it shot 190x19. I'll take that any day. With some more shooting and break in, wouldn't be surprised to see even better. All groups are c/c measurement.
So, hope you find this informative and hopefully a good read.
Best Regards, V.
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That's a nice report with thoughtful observations, 45Auto.
A lot of shooters may be interested in new barrels because many rifles don't have particularly good barrels. CZ is one example that can be hit or miss, so to speak. Anschutz barrels are generally held to be as good a barrel as is possible on a factory rifle. The same can be said for match rifles such as Walther and FWB. Manufacturers such as these make their barrels with an eye on remaining competitive with each other in .22LR target shooting competition.
Custom barrels offer the possibility of improvement over factory produced barrels, but here not all are created equally. While the Vudoo V22 appears to primarily use the Vudoo-made in house "Ace" barrel, it reportedly has available options of custom barrels by Bartlein or Krieger as well. The price increase for a custom barrel for the Vudoo might be very worthwhile considering its a relatively small part of the overall cost. In any case, like any new factory barrel with little history, not much is known about the Bergara B14 .22LR so it remains to be seen how the Bergara-made .22LR barrels stack up in comparison to others.
How does the pricing of the Anschutz 1761 compare to the Bergara B14 .22LR?
In Canada the Anschutz 1761 starts at $1649, while the Bergara B14 .22LR is about $1500. In the US Anschutz rifles are more expensive than in Canada -- that's with the currency converted. For example, a 1761 goes for $1495 USD at Anschutz North America (or $1981 CAD). The Bergara B14 .22LR in the US is sold online for $949 USD (or $1258 CAD).
Sometimes the old adage "you get what you pay for" has a great deal of merit. It may not always hold true, but in Canada the Anschutz is a little more expensive than the Bergara B14 .22LR by about $150, south of the border the Bergara B14 .22LR is the clear bargain. Of course price comparisons don't always reflect value on either side of the border. In the end comparing the new Anschutz 1761 and the new Bergara B14 .22LR may be like comparing apples and oranges. They certainly look like very different rifles.
A lot of shooters may be interested in new barrels because many rifles don't have particularly good barrels. CZ is one example that can be hit or miss, so to speak. Anschutz barrels are generally held to be as good a barrel as is possible on a factory rifle. The same can be said for match rifles such as Walther and FWB. Manufacturers such as these make their barrels with an eye on remaining competitive with each other in .22LR target shooting competition.
Custom barrels offer the possibility of improvement over factory produced barrels, but here not all are created equally. While the Vudoo V22 appears to primarily use the Vudoo-made in house "Ace" barrel, it reportedly has available options of custom barrels by Bartlein or Krieger as well. The price increase for a custom barrel for the Vudoo might be very worthwhile considering its a relatively small part of the overall cost. In any case, like any new factory barrel with little history, not much is known about the Bergara B14 .22LR so it remains to be seen how the Bergara-made .22LR barrels stack up in comparison to others.
How does the pricing of the Anschutz 1761 compare to the Bergara B14 .22LR?
In Canada the Anschutz 1761 starts at $1649, while the Bergara B14 .22LR is about $1500. In the US Anschutz rifles are more expensive than in Canada -- that's with the currency converted. For example, a 1761 goes for $1495 USD at Anschutz North America (or $1981 CAD). The Bergara B14 .22LR in the US is sold online for $949 USD (or $1258 CAD).
Sometimes the old adage "you get what you pay for" has a great deal of merit. It may not always hold true, but in Canada the Anschutz is a little more expensive than the Bergara B14 .22LR by about $150, south of the border the Bergara B14 .22LR is the clear bargain. Of course price comparisons don't always reflect value on either side of the border. In the end comparing the new Anschutz 1761 and the new Bergara B14 .22LR may be like comparing apples and oranges. They certainly look like very different rifles.
Thanks 45Auto for that great report. Very informative and glad to see it shooting well.
And Grauhanen, thank you also. Agreed on the price differential. That is what had me curious as they are close to one another but as mentioned, almost a different application.
Mystics comment on chassis choice (or lack of) is also a great consideration. The Bergara is ready to fit into any 700 chassis.
In time I fully expect Scuba52 to be in the 0.5" club with his toy (no pressure Scuba) and I believe that is good to see having another potential quality rifle choice for shooters out there.
Still leaning towards the Annie at the moment. I have one in 22LR and one in 17 HMR and when they are clean and the barrel and wood smelling of Ballistol it just seems so........German (good and bad connotations acknowledged) LOL
Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts. Much appreciated.
And Grauhanen, thank you also. Agreed on the price differential. That is what had me curious as they are close to one another but as mentioned, almost a different application.
Mystics comment on chassis choice (or lack of) is also a great consideration. The Bergara is ready to fit into any 700 chassis.
In time I fully expect Scuba52 to be in the 0.5" club with his toy (no pressure Scuba) and I believe that is good to see having another potential quality rifle choice for shooters out there.
Still leaning towards the Annie at the moment. I have one in 22LR and one in 17 HMR and when they are clean and the barrel and wood smelling of Ballistol it just seems so........German (good and bad connotations acknowledged) LOL
Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts. Much appreciated.
It will be interesting to see how the Bergara performs day in and day out over a wide section of owners once they have been selling for a while . The performance of a rifle here and a rifle there may not be totally representative of the model ( good or bad ) . It certainly looks interesting though . But , I see these two rifles as appealing to different types of buyers . The Bergara catering to the "tactical competition / long range" crowd and the Anschtuz to more of a classic beauty / sporter / keepsake crowd . I have an Anschutz MPR and it has been nothing short of fantastic in every respect . I am the limiting factor as far as accuracy goes . I truly get the desire to own more of them ( as many as possible actually ) and I envy the guys that have done just that . A 30 year old Anschtuz is still a thing of beauty . There is something to be said for that .
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
Really depends on what you want to do with the rifle. Match barrels are purchased for alot of extra cash cause they can offer performance ahead of most factory barrels. Depending on the useage, there are specs that cater which can enhance results.
So your CZ455 may exceed the performance of a 'better' factory rifle simply because you can gear the barrel to that task.
As an out of the box factory rifle, I have shot several Anschutz rifles and they worked so well. would I choose to build up an Anschutz for say CRPS matches? Nope
would I consider a 54 for a Bench rest action? Yep....
As always... it depends
wrt to costs... given the huge numbers being invested in new gen rimfire set ups, sub $2k for a total rifle is no longer scary numbers. Do you really gain much? Well, that is another debate
Jerry
I've had one for a while - I've posted comments in these links after using and comparing this rifle with several other Anschutz sporters I currently own.
The 1761 will never compare with a classic, traditional 54 repeater in the minds of many long term Anschutz tragics.
However, if you're looking for a rifle which appears to be following the current trends in 22LR design, there is a lot of potential lurking in the 1761 - Albiet at a price - I had one of the first of this model to arrive in Australia and our Anschutz prices in general have gone through the stratosphere in recent years.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1169617&highlight=1761
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1182679
The 1761 will never compare with a classic, traditional 54 repeater in the minds of many long term Anschutz tragics.
However, if you're looking for a rifle which appears to be following the current trends in 22LR design, there is a lot of potential lurking in the 1761 - Albiet at a price - I had one of the first of this model to arrive in Australia and our Anschutz prices in general have gone through the stratosphere in recent years.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1169617&highlight=1761
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1182679
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It would be an improvement insofar as an alloy trigger guard should be stronger than one that's plastic. It won't of course improve how the rifle shoots.
It's true that the 1761 doesn't share the characteristics of classic, traditional Anschutz 54 repeaters that many Anschutz lovers appreciate. On the lighter side, John, it's not fair to describe those who like the 54 action sporters as particularly "tragic". Many of us are far from distress, melancholy, or calamity while with them at the range or in the field, despite the cost of the rifle..
Stay well.
Well, having owned several 54type Annie's, and still own them, never thought I was 'tragic', lol.
Moving on, Thanks for your notes.
A couple more comments. I think one should know what the end use will be for the most part. The 1761 is a great sporting use rifle. It would do very well in Sporter Benchrest class. For long range comp. type shoots, a different stock design would probably be considered. But nothing stopping from using it as a start.
One thing you can bank on is the quality of Anschutz bbls. I recall Deiter telling me many yrs ago that their bbls were their strength. Nothing changed there.
If it was me, and I thought that the budget was a bit tight for a 1700 series, I'd have no hesitation going for a 1761. The new action is a major upgrade from the 64 series. And, as said before, there may be some newer stocks coming forth. Stay tuned on that. Ps, don't worry too much about the trigger guard.
Last note; when I tested the different ammo, I did so without stopping to clean nor seasoning with a handful of the next brand. There were no surprises going from one to the next. I think this speaks well of this rifle.
Moving on, Thanks for your notes.
A couple more comments. I think one should know what the end use will be for the most part. The 1761 is a great sporting use rifle. It would do very well in Sporter Benchrest class. For long range comp. type shoots, a different stock design would probably be considered. But nothing stopping from using it as a start.
One thing you can bank on is the quality of Anschutz bbls. I recall Deiter telling me many yrs ago that their bbls were their strength. Nothing changed there.
If it was me, and I thought that the budget was a bit tight for a 1700 series, I'd have no hesitation going for a 1761. The new action is a major upgrade from the 64 series. And, as said before, there may be some newer stocks coming forth. Stay tuned on that. Ps, don't worry too much about the trigger guard.
Last note; when I tested the different ammo, I did so without stopping to clean nor seasoning with a handful of the next brand. There were no surprises going from one to the next. I think this speaks well of this rifle.
I've just received the alloy guard and hope to give it a run this week. I live in Australia's deep north and temperatures and humidity here play havoc with many polymers. E.G. Yesterday at 4.00PM, it was over 40 degrees C (in the shade) at my place. A blued rifle barrel exposed to the sun becomes too hot to touch very quickly. The TG on this 1761 will compress during a range session and it is impossible to maintain consistent action screw torque. I know this gun has the potential to be typically "Anschutz" accurate and expect the alloy guard to contribute to that.
This is what regularly happens to factory Anschutz mags here - I've not seen too many similar issues from owners who use these mags in colder climates. I now use all steel Wisners in my Anschutz/Cooper rifles and have actually purchased them from Western Gun Parts - I find Canadian dealers very keen to help when I get stuck down here!
It's true that the 1761 doesn't share the characteristics of classic, traditional Anschutz 54 repeaters that many Anschutz lovers appreciate. On the lighter side, John, it's not fair to describe those who like the 54 action sporters as particularly "tragic". Many of us are far from distress, melancholy, or calamity while with them at the range or in the field, despite the cost of the rifle..
Stay well.
LOL...Glenn, "Anschutz tragic" is a complimentary term around these parts. You know I bought my first new 54 in 1965 and have been buying and selling them ever since. Why? Because I love 'em! I'm sure you would agree that this new metal coating on the 1761 will not appeal to those who appreciate a decent blueing job on a classic rifle like the 54.
I've just received the alloy guard and hope to give it a run this week. I live in Australia's deep north and temperatures and humidity here play havoc with many polymers. E.G. Yesterday at 4.00PM, it was over 40 degrees C (in the shade) at my place. A blued rifle barrel exposed to the sun becomes too hot to touch very quickly. The TG on this 1761 will compress during a range session and it is impossible to maintain consistent action screw torque. I know this gun has the potential to be typically "Anschutz" accurate and expect the alloy guard to contribute to that.
This is what regularly happens to factory Anschutz mags here - I've not seen too many similar issues from owners who use these mags in colder climates. I now use all steel Wisners in my Anschutz/Cooper rifles and have actually purchased them from Western Gun Parts - I find Canadian dealers very keen to help when I get stuck down here!
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LOL...Glenn, "Anschutz tragic" is a complimentary term around these parts. You know I bought my first new 54 in 1965 and have been buying and selling them ever since. Why? Because I love 'em! I'm sure you would agree that this new metal coating on the 1761 will not appeal to those who appreciate a decent blueing job on a classic rifle like the 54.
Well, always learning something new. Didn't know that about 'tragic', lol.
I was always satisfied with my mags which performed well except for an occasional problem that could be corrected. Never knew about the problems associated with high temps. Ours is usually with cold weather. I bought a Savage Anschutz 1422 54 sporter for my Dad back in 71. Hooked on them since. The sporter is still going strong and competitive with newer rifles. I agree with you that it would be prudent to change the trigger guard. Good info, Allan.
