Anschutz 64R Tactical Trainer 64R AND 64MPR
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The SR-22 will be something fun to hold you over until your "Annie" comes home.
Enjoy it!
Enjoy it!
Haha, yah its just something to play with. I have been mentally exhausted and stressing so hard over the annie. I wanted something to be happy to make noise with.
Its bad im already looking at barrels and trigger upgrades though ? lol
SO little bit of an update for those who are fallowing this thread.
I must say, Nordic has some of the best customer service I have encountered in this industry.
Brad put a lot of time and effort in during a busy time to ensure I am a happy customer.
The rifle is shooting up to par, with groups in the 0.500's using SK at 50 meters and .700's at 100...
So similar results to as what I was getting with that last round of Midas+ (post #101)
After a good discussion with Brad and speaking about what I am looking to get out of the rifle and the type of rifles I preform the best with personally I have decided to get the Model 64 MP R.
It has a longer, heavier and thicker barrel. Something that may mimic the Center fire rifles I am so custom to.
I will still have to find the ammunition this rifle likes. I am still in the pursuit of that 5 groups under .500 in a row title. (why do things have to be so hard for me ?)
That being said, I guess getting on that list is not as easy as it sounds! lol
Big shout out to Nordic (this is why I have their sticker on my truck!).
this about wraps up the tactical trainer review though, I got .500's at 50M you may get better you may not rim fire is a fickle bish.
Still a dream rifle to get behind, so good that the stock isn't changing just the barreled action really.
Should I keep the 64 MP R pursuit of sub .500's going in this thread or start a new one ?
I must say, Nordic has some of the best customer service I have encountered in this industry.
Brad put a lot of time and effort in during a busy time to ensure I am a happy customer.
The rifle is shooting up to par, with groups in the 0.500's using SK at 50 meters and .700's at 100...
So similar results to as what I was getting with that last round of Midas+ (post #101)
After a good discussion with Brad and speaking about what I am looking to get out of the rifle and the type of rifles I preform the best with personally I have decided to get the Model 64 MP R.
It has a longer, heavier and thicker barrel. Something that may mimic the Center fire rifles I am so custom to.
I will still have to find the ammunition this rifle likes. I am still in the pursuit of that 5 groups under .500 in a row title. (why do things have to be so hard for me ?)
That being said, I guess getting on that list is not as easy as it sounds! lol
Big shout out to Nordic (this is why I have their sticker on my truck!).
this about wraps up the tactical trainer review though, I got .500's at 50M you may get better you may not rim fire is a fickle bish.
Still a dream rifle to get behind, so good that the stock isn't changing just the barreled action really.
Should I keep the 64 MP R pursuit of sub .500's going in this thread or start a new one ?
You've had it easy so far, bud! Let's talk when you've re-barreled all but two of your rifles to make the list, brought in a dud match barrel, brought in a match barrel that could have made the 1/4" honorary list, but got damaged in shipping due to idiot re-packaging, and a third match barrel with a faulty cone breech that split in less than 50 rounds fired
.... yeah... you think you've had it rough... I'll be lucky to get 1/3 replacement barrels in time to still shoot one of my builds this season.It's not always sunshine and rainbows down in the rimfire accuracy rabbit hole. So, I find it interesting that Anschütz considers groups in the 0.5's at 50 to meet their standard, rather than being able to shoot under 1/2" with fair consistency. That's not the kind of performance most would expect out of an Annie, I know I felt disappointed in my MSR when on average 7-8 out of 10 groups were under 1/2", these things are supposed to shoot bugholes, right? I guess I actually had a "good" one, it was capable of the challenge, after all, given enough attempts.
So are you just getting an MPR barreled action put in the Tactical Trainer stock, if I'm reading you right? If that's the case, maybe just keep this thread going for continuity of all that had to happen to get it shooting the way you want.
You've had it easy so far, bud! Let's talk when you've re-barreled all but two of your rifles to make the list, brought in a dud match barrel, brought in a match barrel that could have made the 1/4" honorary list, but got damaged in shipping due to idiot re-packaging, and a third match barrel with a faulty cone breech that split in less than 50 rounds fired
It's not always sunshine and rainbows down in the rimfire accuracy rabbit hole. So, I find it interesting that Anschütz considers groups in the 0.5's at 50 to meet their standard, rather than being able to shoot under 1/2" with fair consistency. That's not the kind of performance most would expect out of an Annie, I know I felt disappointed in my MSR when on average 7-8 out of 10 groups were under 1/2", these things are supposed to shoot bugholes, right? I guess I actually had a "good" one, it was capable of the challenge, after all, given enough attempts.
So are you just getting an MPR barreled action put in the Tactical Trainer stock, if I'm reading you right? If that's the case, maybe just keep this thread going for continuity of all that had to happen to get it shooting the way you want.
Oh my... I do not envy you sir. That is a rough road!
Yes, so just the barreled action is being replaced. Same stock.
It is still the "tactical trainer" but the 64 MP R not the 64R... So it is the bit more pricey one.
Maybe just change the thread title a bit ?
Any 64 action that's shooting .700's at 100 meters is darn good. It's weird, however, that it doesn't shoot better than .500's at 50.
I don't know that Anschutz has made any statements here about what their standard of accuracy is. In any case, perhaps 7-8 out of ten groups under half-an-inch reveals that there is a human factor involved. It's not easy shooting ten consecutive groups under half-an-inch at 50 yards/meters with a 64 action Anschutz -- or even a 54 for that matter. While some 64's can be very amenable to shooting off the bench, none of them is now available in a purpose built BR type of stock. One should also keep in mind that a good quality front rest is needed, along with a good rear bag, good bench, good scope, good ammo, good weather conditions, and a little bit of good luck (not to mention good shooter technique), to shoot consistently well.
Canadiankeeper, please share some details about how your new Anschutz performs when you get out with it.
Agreed, I noticed that discrepency also... generally speaking, with LR shooting, if you are consistently shoot at MOA (1/2" @ 50), then you can expect to open up at 100... the progression is not linear in my experience... to shoot MOA at 50 and then actually tighten up to under 3/4 MOA at 100 is an inexplicable (but happy) rarity.
Yes, when I was behind it it oped up to about 1 1/2 or a bit over I do believe...
Either way, the new barreled action should help ME out more. I am used to heavier center fire rifles. So the bigger barrel will help me out a bit im sure.
As I understand, Canadiankeeper sent his Tactical Trainer back to Nordic for evaluation, and the above posted results of 0.5's with SK was the performance the Nordic obtained with the rifle, with the determination from Anschütz that it meets their accuracy standards. Correct, I have not seen anywhere that Anschütz states a clear number as to what that accuracy standard is, exactly. An inference is being made, given the above data points, that Anschütz finds it acceptable for their rifles to shoot a number of groups exceeding 1/2" at 50. Without any further information, we can take CK's statement that results as seen in post #101 are considered satisfactory by Anschütz. There is a mix with a few groups in the .3's and .4's, but also ranges mainly in the 0.5's and up, with no real consistency. So similar results to as what I was getting with that last round of Midas+ (post #101)
Now, it's not my thread to flood with my own shooting results, but I have other data that succinctly contradicts the suggestion that the "human factor" was mainly responsible for the inconsistent results (it wasn't). A purpose built benchrest stock and one-piece rest are in no way explicitly required to achieve shooting excellence, though they certainly do make it easier. What's strictly needed for rimfire accuracy is a flawless barrel, brand/lot testing of premium ammunition, and (important) tuning. If one cannot achieve excellent results when those three factors are in order, then they may wish to review their shooting technique.
Yes this tactical trainer has not lived up too anschutz expectations. I would not be happy with .5" groups at 50.My MPR routinely shot .2'so, 3's and 4's.At 100 it would be .7 to 1" with ideal conditions. I hope the MPR barreled action performs for you. My MPR loved center x.I sold it to Tom E Gun and he did a challenge group all in the 2s with it with X act. Your poor performing trainer probably hasn't helped Nordics sales on them as well.
As someone interested (and ready) to buy a TT, I've been watching all of this unfold with great interest. I'm not inclined to buy premium ammunition though, as tight groups on paper just don't hold a ton of appeal to be honest. As I've mentioned a few times, I'm keen on a 22 doing "double duty" as a casual target gun/plinker..but able to lob the fast stuff reasonably well for when it's time to shoot gophers. All this suggests to me is that I should stick with CZs...and maybe add another to the collection! (453 this time?) Anyhow, what I CAN'T "get a read on" is whether or not many of you guys are using HV ammo in your Anschutz rifles, if any of you are hunting with them, what kind of groups you're getting with what kinds of HV ammo, etc. CK got OK results with Blazer, but in this thread...it seems to be the paper-punchers chiming-in mostly. Am I correct in assuming that everybody here on CGN shooting Anschutz rifles are doing so on the bench primarily? I DO know the best results are going to be with primo ammo, serious rests F&B, bedded actions, torque settings on action screws messed with, etc. but is anyone having fun with their Anschutz rifles too?
Well I will have the 64 MP R version i bet it will preform.
Not quite "all in the 2s" but the rifle is certainly capable of that kind of accuracy in the right hands (ie: not mine):
This MPR is my first Anschutz and the quality and accuracy certainly live up to my expectations.
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Not quite "all in the 2s" but the rifle is certainly capable of that kind of accuracy in the right hands:
This MPR is my first Anschutz and the quality and accuracy certainly live up to my expectations.
THIS is what im looking for ! I Would be absolutely to the moon with groups like that.
Can confirm, a good Annie will deliver. This one is picky about ammo, but a tuner makes it behave
Fun fact, this is one of the ones I re-barreled, but just with another factory Annie barrel in this case. Only did two sessions of tuner testing since the tuner was supposed to be bored out and fitted to a custom, but that project is severely delayed due to the shipping damage mentioned previously. Never did bore out the tuner so I suppose I'll keep playing with it on this rifle, and try the Midas + it liked so much without the tuner.
All groups shot at tuner setting 1-19/20 were 0.3's or better, with only one group out of 16 going slightly above 1/2" at a disagreeable tuner setting.
For .22LRGUY, I shoot monthly silhouette matches with my Anschütz rifles, and have been trying to find a less expensive load than Midas + to run, since I can't use a tuner there. Eley sport was "good enough" but I wouldn't be happy with any HV stuff. These really aren't the kind of rifle to get if that's the kind of ammo you'll be shooting. I'd take an Annie to a gopher patch (where in Ontario are they?) but I'd hesitate to go through the squirrel woods with one. I've got a CZ for that duty.
For those still interested in a "tactical trainer" (whatever that means) there is the 64 MP R Tactical Trainer http://www.nordicmarksman.com/64-MP-R-Tactical-Trainer.html
