Anschutz actions - can someone decipher them for me?

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I see the 64 and read about it often...but on Nordics website, they have barrelled actions with numbers I'm not familiar with. What are they and how do they relate to the infamous 64?

That 1903-U2 seems to be a reasonable price...even if you need to add the stock.
 
The 1903-U2 barrelled action is the one found in the 1903 Small Bore Target Rifle. It is a 64 action that lists at $1425. The dealer also has the 64 Biathlon Sprint barrelled action. The others listed on Nordic's site are 54 barrelled actions. The 1907 Small Bore Target Rifle, for example, is a 54 action at $2650.

I don't know that the 64 action is "infamous" as you say -- that is, famous for a "bad" reason. The 64 is Anschutz' "entry level" action, while the 54 is a top-of-the-line, with the Fortner actions costing even more. The 64 is a solid and reliable action, ideal for someone interested in getting quality without spending top dollar.
 
The 64 action is lot more fragile compare to 54 action and less air tight head space and got
Lot more vibration when fired,the 54 has a lot better trigger mechanism
Anschutz usually utilize their low end barrels of the line for the 64 actions
I actually own both actions and grouping are more tight with the 54 in comparison
The 64 bolt it self are made from casting hardened at one end
and sometime they break in 2 pieces.
 
Annie58 said:
The 64 action is lot more fragile compare to 54 action and less air tight head space and got
Lot more vibration when fired,the 54 has a lot better trigger mechanism
Anschutz usually utilize their low end barrels of the line for the 64 actions
I actually own both actions and grouping are more tight with the 54 in comparison
The 64 bolt it self are made from casting hardened at one end
and sometime they break in 2 pieces.
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Some curious and unfounded assertions.

The 64 action is not "fragile" in any sense of the word. Anschutz uses the same barrels on both actions. The 64 action does not have a reputation for breaking into two pieces.

The 64 action is a very good one. It is not as good as the 54, but it is not inferior to any but those found on more expensive rifles.
 
I don't want to argue on this subject but this is my experience with Annie's
There is two small tabs inside the 64 bolt and they are fragile
And sometimes they break even treated with care,a little weakness in the steel and you're done.
That's what happened to me and some others.
My 1907 are better made than 64 and barrel are better and more accurate (précise) and thats is not
Unfounded assertions this is the reality .
 
grauhanen said:
Some curious and unfounded assertions.

The 64 action is not "fragile" in any sense of the word. Anschutz uses the same barrels on both actions. The 64 action does not have a reputation for breaking into two pieces.

The 64 action is a very good one. It is not as good as the 54, but it is not inferior to any but those found on more expensive rifles.
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:agree: I own both & the difference is minor. Yes the 54 action is the more accurate but not by a huge amount over my model 64 MPR.
 
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By the Way my 1903 is for sale and less than a thousand bullets whent through Still like new ��

Even brand like Bleiker had their weakness or G&E,Feinwerkbau etc....
 
Annie58 said:
The 64 action is lot more fragile compare to 54 action and less air tight head space and got
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Not as nice as the 54... yup!
Fragile?!?

The Anschutz (CIL) 190 was at one time the most common target rifles in Canada. Seems like just about every shooting clubs had them.
Had two of them over the years, along with a 54 Match... can't say I'm aware of any "issues" with the 64 action...
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Annie58 said:
The 64 action is lot more fragile compare to 54 action and less air tight head space and got
Lot more vibration when fired,the 54 has a lot better trigger mechanism
Anschutz usually utilize their low end barrels of the line for the 64 actions
I actually own both actions and grouping are more tight with the 54 in comparison
The 64 bolt it self are made from casting hardened at one end
and sometime they break in 2 pieces.
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There are several misconceptions in this post.

First, the Anschutz 5098 trigger in many 64s is at least as good as, if not better than, the 5096 and 5109 triggers on many 54-action sporters, and can actually be adjusted down to a lower weight-of-pull.

Second, as grauhanen notes, it's well-known that Anschutz puts the same barrels on their 64s as go on the 54s. The differences are in the actions, not the barrels.

Third, there will be no difference between the 64s and 54s in terms of headspace. Why should there be? Headspace doesn't depend on the action, but rather on the fitting of the barrel to the action, and we can be pretty sure that Anschutz gets the headspace right on all of their models.

As for vibration, that's the first I've heard of that. It's true that the 64-action rifles tend to be lighter than the 54s (and the 64 action itself is lighter than a 54), so perhaps they move a little more on the bags when shooting from the bench. Nonetheless, a lot of shooters have shot some pretty impressive groups with their 64-action Anschutzes. From what I've read, any differences in overall accuracy between the 64 and 54 are very, very small. As for fragility, the hundreds of thousands of 64s used over the years in shooting programs worldwide, with tens of thousands of rounds fired through them, would attest to their durability. The Anschutz 64 action is a very good one--far better than most competitors--and any 64-action rifle, if cared for properly, should last several lifetimes.
 
I'm agree with you but i still keep my words for bolt and some guys like me ,had a bad one
It's a fact and you can easily find pics of guys like me on the web who had the same bolt tab broken
I can understand a dude who had spend 1500 for don't want to bash is rifle .

By the way i got both types 64 (1903)and 54 (1907) so i have a good idea of the differences between

So probably i was dreaming and was only a bad nightmare.
 
From my first hand experience at the range shooting my MPR ( new style 64 action ) and watching a lot of others shoot their 54 based rifles is , the practical accuracy difference is extremely small . The person shooting makes more of a difference than the rifle . For example , compare an MPR to a 1710 DHB . Accuracy difference is zero . The 5098 trigger is fantastic . Is the 54 action more durable ? Perhaps . But I know guys that have been shooting 64 action rifles weekly for decades with zero issues . In the case of my MPR , you have to be a damn good shooter on your A game to consistently beat it with an out of the box 54 action rifle .
 
Can someone explain to me why we don't see any serious competition shooters using 64 actions
if they are as good as the 54 ???
if Anschütz don't make any barrel selections 64/54 why justify spending 3000 dollars and more ???
And discarding the bad one(barrels) instead using it for the entry level rifles.
Something illogical there
Well actually we don't see any more Anschütz rifles on ISSF competitions they have been surpassed by the swiss maker like Bleiker using Lilja barrels.
 
Annie58 said:
Can someone explain to me why we don't see any serious competition shooters using 64 actions
if they are as good as the 54 ???
if Anschütz don't make any barrel selections 64/54 why justify spending 3000 dollars and more ???
And discarding the bad one(barrels) instead using it for the entry level rifles.
Something illogical there
Well actually we don't see any more Anschütz rifles on ISSF competitions they have been surpassed by the swiss maker like Bleiker using Lilja barrels.
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Still beating the horse, eh?

"Serious competition shooters" always prefer to use the better Anschutz action, the 54, rather than the 64. It is better, as was observed in the second post in this thread.

The point to keep in mind here is that the 64's are "good" actions, just not quite as good as the 54 Anschutz action.

The barrels used on both 64 and 54 rifles are the same. That's a fact. No amount of wishful thinking will change that.

When it comes to high level competition, any kind of high level competition for that matter, serious participants will always strive to use the best equipment possible, even Bleikers with Lilja barrels (or other custom barrels). Sometimes they will use triggers made by a manufacturer other than the maker of the action. That's just the way it is.

The 54 action is "better" than the 64. No one disputes that. But for many shooters like the non-competitive folks posting here on CGN 64's can produce very good results. The 64 action in a heavy barrelled and suitably stocked Anschutz like the MPR, achieves results that are very good and would often be quite competitive with the results casual shooters might obtain with 54 action rifles.

I suppose you understand all that already, however, and just can't let anything go.
 
Annie58 said:
Can someone explain to me why we don't see any serious competition shooters using 64 actions
if they are as good as the 54 ???
if Anschütz don't make any barrel selections 64/54 why justify spending 3000 dollars and more ???
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Well actually we don't see any more Anschütz rifles on ISSF competitions they have been surpassed by the swiss maker like Bleiker using Lilja barrels.
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I don't know... because they can, because they want to?

Take any "good" shooter, and they'd probably perform just as good using a Anschutz, Walther, FWB, Bleiker , Tesro, Maennel, Grunnig... Heck, if you search on TargetTalk, a few years ago there was a guy who installed a savage in a aluminum stock, and was shooting pretty much the same scores as with his Anschutz.

If you're going to train to shoot at the world cup, Olympic or other major ISSF event. The cost of the gun is probably not a major factor.

In the big-scheme of things, sport shooting is still a fairly inexpensive hobby, and when you tire of it, if you maintained your equipment, you'll be able to get a good part of your $$ back.
 
I did a web page highlighting my 54.18ms-ed

http://www.neonfeather.com/5418/

in the first few lines of the page there is a link to a 31 year old article that discusses early Anschutz actions and triggers, especially the metallic silhouette models.
There is a post somewhere that is an unofficial Anschutz spreadsheet of model #, year and specifics. Anyone else seen it?
 
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