Anti-Bear gun for 55 year old female guide...

Apparently she refuses to take good advice re. practice. It sounds like all those involved should never be allowed to outfit or guide.
 
Where does she outfit so that I don't ever go there, and can advise anyone who runs into a problem are aware of the situation so they can law suit if need be.

This is disgusting to hear, she should never have been hired.
 
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Thought such things happened only in the movies :) ......very foolhardy and dangerous initiative even if the individual in question had strong nerves.

Hope you and/or your girlfriend are able to convince her (Mother) otherwise.
 
Thanks for your oppinions guys, I apprechate it. Really, common sense should have been applied by her employer and the gunsalesman. The outfitting company is Chilcotin Holidays Guest Ranch. I agree with everything you guys have said, and just picked upa case of birshot, and am going out to the mother in laws house and make her shoot some rounds, both with her pistol grip and my Mossberg 500. Mabe I'll let her use mine.... I agree that the employer is responsible, and apparently all the guides there have pistol grip shotguns, except for one who got an ATC and carries a .44 Magnum.
 
Oh my God... This is a disaster waiting to happen... Practise Practise PRACTISE, is the key to surviving your encounter with a bear!!! I certainly would NOT trust my well being to someone I felt was NOT up to the task... Surviving an encounter is about being prepared 4 the worst!!!

Cheers
Jay
 
Talk about a "Baptism by fire". While we could all agree that operation of most firearms does not require a University Degree, PROFICIENT operation takes practice and experience. I would argue that even an experienced defensive shooter would have his/her hands full with an aggressive charging bear. Dealing with stress and surprise as well as the obvious urgency of the situation, your shooting ability had better be second nature to you as well as effective :eek:

The guides reluctance to familiarize and be proficient with arguably one of the most important tools in her kit is a glaring fault IMHO. Good luck to her, her clients and her company. :rolleyes:

P.S. to the Poster...at least you tried bro :)

Mad Mikey.
 
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my fathers good friend is a guide up in Fort Nelson. He was in this situation aswell. His employer recommended a firearm that would have significant stopping power, be quick to swing and quick to cycle. So what does he do. He buys a mossberg 590 in 12ga with a factory pistol grip and not a combo with both stocks. needless to say he bought a full stock after going shooting with us. pistol grips are fun but only practical for home defence, drive-bys, and liquor store roberies lol jk but you get my point. in a panic situation like one you would encounter as a guide you would want to have a steady-reliable-and accurate grip on the gun. not a flimbsy-loose hold on a pistol grip.

As for the age and lack of experience for this case, i strongly recommend a maximum of 20 gauge, A FULL STOCK, but most of all PRACTICE and become familiar with the weapon. with all do respect your daughters boy friend is right.
 
I agree with everyone on this womans refusal to practice with her firearm...

I disagree with the firearms that everyone is promoting her to buy.

I would say that recoil is the main issue and a 12 gauge is not the answer for her.

Get her out and have her look at a 16" barreled stainless steel Puma M92 lever action carbine in 454 Casull it will also go with her horse...

I believe they hold 7 rounds in the mag tube and the recoil is definately something she can handle.

My wife that doesn't like guns at all can accurately shoot my 20" M92 454 and this is now her camp gun.
 
I took a 10 day horse trip with my familly up around Spruce Lake in the early 80's don't remember but it might have been the same outfit.....our guide didn't even have a gun! :eek:

Great trip though!

Back on track..your Mom in law seems like a pretty casual lady when it comes to guns, hard to believe she is comfortable packing a gun she has never even tried.

Be sure and post some video clips of her first shot with the 3 Inch slugs!

A trip to the range will straighten her out...

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swissrallyman said:
Thanks for your oppinions guys, I apprechate it. Really, common sense should have been applied by her employer and the gunsalesman. The outfitting company is Chilcotin Holidays Guest Ranch. I agree with everything you guys have said, and just picked upa case of birshot, and am going out to the mother in laws house and make her shoot some rounds, both with her pistol grip and my Mossberg 500. Mabe I'll let her use mine.... I agree that the employer is responsible, and apparently all the guides there have pistol grip shotguns, except for one who got an ATC and carries a .44 Magnum.
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The grizzly population in that area has skyrocketed in the last few years...
 
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That might be a little harsh. After all she was given A trip to the gunstore and the clerk probably assumed from her question that the pistol grip was what she wanted, made no difference to him.
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This happened to me when I was in the latter stages of getting my bear gun. When I told the clerk (NOT at the TSE by the way, but will remain nameless) what I needed (gun for backwoods defense, 12 ga., corrosion resistant) he immediately turned around and grabbed a blued, pistol gripped Mossberg. Unlike FMiL, I had already done my home work (including lots of reading here) and so I accepted the gun, admired the $200 price, then pointed out all of the reasons why it was not the right choice for me. I then was able to AB the 590A with the Mariner and the Remington 870 MM. He just assumed we wanted a light backpacker's gun, and being wrong was no skin off his nose at all.
 
swissrallyman said:
apparently all the guides there have pistol grip shotguns
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i actually purchased a pistol gripped Mossberg from an Ontario guide that had just retired. it had been carried a lot (finish was completely worn off in many places), but never actually fired. the action was full of pine needles, at least a half bottle of gun oil, and the outside was covered in pine tar. dont even get me started on the ethics of a guide that is responsible for the protection of his clients choosing a totally inappropriate gun for the task that he hasnt even practiced with.

im not a guide, nor am i a firearms expert or even an above-average shooter, and ive never been attacked by a bear... but even so i have fired a pistol-gripped Mossberg and it would be one of the last choices of gun i would make in order to defend myself from a bear attack (or any attack for that matter)... much less with 3" magnum slugs. that salesman is an ass.

IMO a pistol-gripped shotgun is a novelty. i suspect that anyone who actually recommends one for wildlife defense lacks real firsthand experience with them. if you want a compact shotgun then a short-barreled one with a short-LOP stock is a much better proposition that you can actually shoot accurately.


"Having a gun does not make you a shooter any more than having a guitar makes you a musician.

If her client's lives are potentially depending on her skills with a shotgun, then from what you are saying both her and her employer are irresponsible, negligent, and stupid."
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that pretty much nailed it.
 
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