Antique Barn find in Mennonite owned property HELPPPP

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Hey guys need some help identifying this beast of a rifle that was found in an Old barn and has been in the same family for ever.

The gun obviously needs Jesus and a complete heavy restoration and all if it's even salvageable

The rifle weighs in at 10lbs as it stands and bore diameter inside is approximately 10mm

The cover plate and barrel has 86W stamped

Barrel is 30" long from muzzle to breech
Hex barrel outer is 1.40" wide
Total length is 46" long

Does anyone know what this is and if it's if any value?

Any help much appreciated fellows, please pm or comment here

Cheers, Derek


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I found a Winchester 1886 rifle in similar condition under the floor boards of a log cabin that
had no roof. I made it into a Floor lamp , & it sits beside my PC now.
 
I never have handled one, but was warned to put a rod down muzzle until it stops - mark rod at muzzle and then compare on outside of barrel - unbelievably, those old muzzle loaders are sometimes found still loaded!!!!
 
Forget heavy restoration. Careful, judicious cleaning to stabilize it. No wire wheels, no chemical rust remover. The missing parts could be fabricated.
Given the small bore and that the muzzle is turned for a starter, it was intended to shoot picket balls or other elongated bullets - not a round ball gun.
It might be an Allen & Thurber. They made iron framed rifles.
It might also be a Michael Mater, Chippawa, Canada West. He made numerous guns with a clamshell cast frame.
If it is in fact a Mater, it is a rather rare Canadian made rifle.
 
dimeN said:
I can see how that even fires ? Trigger mechanism looks weird... like its a pop gun
Strange
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There are some parts missing looks like the hammer was attached to the block with the notches that when rotated back met up with the trigger.
Ball and cap. The stock angle sure is extreme!
 
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The buttplate on the A&T rifles is rather unusual, and generally uniform. Look at the numerous examples in the link above. They are all alike.
This rifle's is a bit different.
Also note the different trigger guard.
The mainspring to tumbler relationship, with the square link, is akin to the system used by A&T.
 
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A few look rather close to me, the Ethan Allen in particular have very similar barrel but again the damn trigger guard is not the same. https://www.google.com/search?q=eth...sung-ss&prmd=simvn&hl=en#imgrc=zNOJPi-Ywg2peM

I'd love to see this gun all cleaned up and what not, I know it's gonna be challenging for me with current health issues (spine surgery in the works). Part of me wants to pass it along to o someone more experienced and capable as she's been sitting in the safe a while and can use the room

I assume as it currently sits not really to much value. More in it for the mistery
 
tiriaq said:
The buttplate on the A&T rifles is rather unusual, and generally uniform. Look at the numerous examples in the link above. They are all alike.
This rifle's is a bit different.
Also note the different trigger guard.
The mainspring to tumbler relationship, with the square link, is akin to the system used by A&T.
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I did notice those two differences. I was thinking perhaps that could be explained by this particular gun being a lower-end gun with less of the fancy features?

Here is another link I found on google that looks to have the same sort of butt as this found one, but still a fancier trigger guard.
https://www.icollector.com/ALLEN-THURBER-SINGLE-SHOT-TARGET-RIFLE_i39091353
 
The muzzle of the gun looks like it was set up for a false muzzle /bullet starter which was normally used for target rifles.It would be interesting to know the rate of twist that would say a lot
 
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