Antique regs from the horse's mouth

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Noticed this from the RCMP website on antique firearms:


"If you own only antique firearms you do not need to:
• get a firearms licence; or
• register any of your antique firearms."

English is my first language, and it sounds like if you own modern firearms as well as antique firearms, you have to register the antique firearms.

Is the RCMP making up regulations?
 
Smokepole said:
It just means you don't need any licence or reg if antiques are the only firearms you own.
If you own other firearms - they need registration and you need a licence.
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Well if that's what it really means, then our government employs grade 4 students as final-editors to our gun laws.

Who wrote that s**taki...? This is how it should read...

Antique firearms, as prescribed by the RCMP and accompanied by a letterhead stating such, do not require:

• a firearms licence to purchase or possess; or
• registration of your antique firearm(s).
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:rolleyes:
 
Just because it's on the RCMP website doesn't make it the law. I've found the website to be conflicting with the law as written in a few different areas. Use the site as a guideline, then research the firearms act yourself.
 
Also don't gloss over the blurb at the bottom of the page;

"This fact sheet is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and its Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply."

I think you're reading too much into it, and as said just because it's on the RCMP site doesn't make it the law.
 
J0HN_R1 said:
Well if that's what it really means, then our government employs grade 4 students as final-editors to our gun laws.

Who wrote that s**taki...? This is how it should read...


Quote:
Antique firearms, as prescribed by the RCMP and accompanied by a letterhead stating such, do not require:

• a firearms licence to purchase or possess; or
• registration of your antique firearm(s).
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The way you wrote it, the RCMP can make any changes they want. This is not LEGALLY true. Technically Parliament are the people who make the law, the police are just supposed to enforce it...
 
Canada Ammo said:
The rcmp will also tell you that storage and transport laws apply to antiques.
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Yes thats right i wonder tho would it stand up in court because the RCMPs FRT Sheets list antique firearms as Non firearms.

So if there non firearms then NO firearms Laws should apply transport or Use included.

Its a mess really.
 
powderman said:
Noticed this from the RCMP website on antique firearms:


"If you own only antique firearms you do not need to:
• get a firearms licence; or
• register any of your antique firearms."

English is my first language, and it sounds like if you own modern firearms as well as antique firearms, you have to register the antique firearms.

Is the RCMP making up regulations?
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No, you're making an issue out of what is NOT there. It is absolutely correct, if somewhat strained and not clear. It does NOT say you need to register antiques if you own non-antiques, you are imagining that.

Read the actual legislation and don't confuse yourself.
 
the Gov't has changed alot of wordings in re-written laws.

specifically in C68:

old law: make a statement that is knowingly false
new law: knowingly make a statement that is false

the new wording gives them the ablilty to persecute... er... I mean prosecute for revenge purposes!

I wonder if that New wording is still in existance... last I heard the bureaucrats REFUSED to look into it, let alone change it back.

think about how that wording can affect you
 
So how old is antique? I have yet to find a Canadian definition on age for antique.
The US customs service defines it as an item of at least 100 years.
Since the Canadian firearms act states that it must have been made prior to 1898( which is 100 years from the date of the 1998 implimentation of the firearms act) It would seem to me that each year since the act was passed should be subtracted from the year of manufacture.

Therefore since it is 2011, The New date of manufacture for firearms to qualify for antique status should be in my opinion 1898 less 13 years, making it 1911. This should challenged against the CFC.
 
weldboss said:
So how old is antique? I have yet to find a Canadian definition on age for antique.
The US customs service defines it as an item of at least 100 years.
Since the Canadian firearms act states that it must have been made prior to 1898( which is 100 years from the date of the 1998 implimentation of the firearms act) It would seem to me that each year since the act was passed should be subtracted from the year of manufacture.

Therefore since it is 2011, The New date of manufacture for firearms to qualify for antique status should be in my opinion 1898 less 13 years, making it 1911. This should challenged against the CFC.
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The Canadian antique definitions are very specific with regards to date of manufacture, and therefore "age". Hint: PRE-1898 actually defines age. Also, the US legal definition of an antique firearm is not 100 years of age, manufacture must be PRE-1899. Exporting a 1911 manufactured firearm from the US requires a US export permit because it is not antique.
 
CMichaud said:
Hahaha...seems to be that by the law you can throw your antique in a rifle rack and drive around all day as long as it is unloaded.R:d:

PS..yes I am sure you would get pulled over etc if you through your rolling block up in the rear of your truck window.
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Legally, you can do that with your non restricteds too.......
 
J0HN_R1 said:
This is how it should read...

Antique firearms, as prescribed by the RCMP and accompanied by a letterhead stating such, do not require:

• a firearms licence to purchase or possess; or
• registration of your antique firearm(s).
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No that is NOT how it should read because YOU DON'T NEED AN RCMP LETTER FOR AN ANTIQUE FIREARM TO BE ANTIQUE!
If it meets requirements of being an antique then it is an antique regardless of whether you have a document issued by the RCMP or not.

oldstarfire said:
And we sure as H..L DO NOT want all antiques to require a letter!
That is essentially registration in my opinion.
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EXACTLY!
and exactly why they want the sheep to believe a letter is required.
The antique letters are free for a reason folks...just like registering a long gun... :slap:
 
jethunter said:
The Canadian antique definitions are very specific with regards to date of manufacture, and therefore "age". Hint: PRE-1898 actually defines age. Also, the US legal definition of an antique firearm is not 100 years of age, manufacture must be PRE-1899. Exporting a 1911 manufactured firearm from the US requires a US export permit because it is not antique.
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The US definition of "antique" any antique be it furniture, firearm or a tin can, as recognized by the federal government, regulated by the customs department IS 100 years in age or older.

I am pointing out the fact that the under current Canadian law which came into effect in 1998, declared that an antique firearm would have to have been made prior to 1898. (There's that 100 years again)

Therefore I feel that the Law should be reflective of the time passed since it originally came into effect.
Fastforward 100 years from right now. It is the year 2111 assume that no laws have changed, only time has passed.
You are telling me that a firearm made in 1897 (214 years old)is an antique and one manufactured in 1899(212 years old) or even 1947(164 years old) still should not be classified with antique status?
 
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