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I see guns like the following offered for sale. Are these still legal? Have rcmp changed the wording of the laws?
Example 1860 colt with cartridge conversion to 45 cowboy special. Or a 1873 p model colt made pre 1898 in a non restricted cartridge but now rebuilt with 38 special modern cylinder and barrel. Are guns like this still legal?
Do you have to have a frt report which is basically registering your gun with rcmp or can you just have a factory letter proving what your gun is?
 
The number of things here you don’t understand or misunderstand is quite substantial.

It would be very unwise of you to continue in this area of research without getting a better handle on what the FRT system is, and the definitions in the criminal code, firearms act and the associated legislation and prescribed regulations.


Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.
 
Antiques 101, someone should really make a sticky about this.

If it’s a legal antique, and you convert it to a caliber not listed on the no-go list, you’re good to go. The burden of responsibility is on you however to be able to prove it was originally in fact a legal antique to begin with.

Everything else is between you and the officer.
 
UpperCanadaRebellion said:
The number of things here you don’t understand or misunderstand is quite substantial.

It would be very unwise of you to continue in this area of research without getting a better handle on what the FRT system is, and the definitions in the criminal code, firearms act and the associated legislation and prescribed regulations.


Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.
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It would be more helpful if you explain.
 
Valiant said:
So you don't need a frt? I see guns advertised without it. A s&w letter or Colt letter should be enough?
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I think you’re mixing up the RCMP verification letter and the FRT.

The FRT is just all the listed firearms known in Canada, and all their affiliated numbers, descriptions, variations, etc. People include printouts of the FRT around the firearm just as an added means to proving what you claim and tie it to a status.

The RCMP registration letter legitimizes that the original firearm, your specific serial, is in fact to their knowledge an antique.

You can also get factory letters to verify the firearms year of manufacture, original caliber etc.

None of these are necessary technically, either way you have it, but you can be expected to prove its status in certain unfortunate circumstances, and that’s easier with some models than others, which is why some go with the RCMP.
 
Valiant said:
So you don't need a frt? I see guns advertised without it. A s&w letter or Colt letter should be enough?
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The RCMP letter is not a legal necessity. The decision to report the gun to the RCMP and get their opinion on it is your personal choice. A factory letter establishing the date of manufacture and cartridge is wise, if you have any doubts, or it isn't easily discernable from examining the gun. It's a combination of your level of comfort, and factoring in the possibility of having to explain yourself to law enforcement. Me, I have an original letter from the S&W historian, and a copy of the law that I carry in my handgun case. I have the same in my safe, just in case I die and my kids have to sort things out.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
The RCMP letter is not a legal necessity. The decision to report the gun to the RCMP and get their opinion on it is your personal choice. A factory letter establishing the date of manufacture and cartridge is wise, if you have any doubts, or it isn't easily discernable from examining the gun. It's a combination of your level of comfort, and factoring in the possibility of having to explain yourself to law enforcement. Me, I have an original letter from the S&W historian, and a copy of the law that I carry in my handgun case. I have the same in my safe, just in case I die and my kids have to sort things out.
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That’s what I do, I have my Colt Historic letters along with a printout of the FRT from armalytics or whatever that site is just for extra backup, in the case with each individual revolver.
 
MosinMan13 said:
I think you’re mixing up the RCMP verification letter and the FRT.

The FRT is just all the listed firearms known in Canada, and all their affiliated numbers, descriptions, variations, etc. People include printouts of the FRT around the firearm just as an added means to proving what you claim and tie it to a status.

The RCMP registration letter legitimizes that the original firearm, your specific serial, is in fact to their knowledge an antique.

You can also get factory letters to verify the firearms year of manufacture, original caliber etc.

None of these are necessary technically, either way you have it, but you can be expected to prove its status in certain unfortunate circumstances, and that’s easier with some models than others, which is why some go with the RCMP.
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I went to rcmp frt web page.
I just see stuff I can download showing what is illegal. I don't see anything about what antiques are legal.
Honestly I don't really like idea of downloading anything from them.
Can we use Alberta Sheriff's and just avoid Ottawas police?
BTW I have restricted rpal. I'm not a bad guy trying to get around anything. But I'm finding antique rifles and such more appealing everyday because of Ottawa.
 
Valiant said:
I went to rcmp frt web page.
I just see stuff I can download showing what is illegal. I don't see anything about what antiques are legal.
Honestly I don't really like idea of downloading anything from them.
Can we use Alberta Sheriff's and just avoid Ottawas police?
BTW I have restricted rpal. I'm not a bad guy trying to get around anything. But I'm finding antique rifles and such more appealing everyday because of Ottawa.
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I still think you’re missing the mark here.

You don’t need to interact with the RCMP at all.

Here’s https://www.armalytics.ca/?size=n_1...ilters[0][values][0]=Yes&filters[0][type]=any

Hopefully that link works, type in the firearm in the search, go through the list and make sure you’re seeing the model and the right manufacturer, download the listing.

Or ask one of us on here for help and I’m sure someone can email you the one you’re after.
 
Just a side note. The caliber of manufacture for pistols as you mentioned above is integral to determining status

However, for rifles, all the law states is it has to be a certain bore size. Don't let those pric*s at the firearms lab tell you different. I got into it with them over a rifle that they claimed was made in 303 originally, and even though it met the bore diameter (45-70) it wasnt antique

I actually had to teach them the law and I eventually won that case, it received a antique frt

118878 - 5 is the frt if anybody is curious. Note they didn't update 118878 - 3 to antique, though it too meets the definition of antique as laid out in the law
 
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C96 1897 said:
I've found a lot of the time people on here are hostile when you ask a question. They seem to forget that they didnt know everything at the start. Sometimes people can't find what there looking for on Google so they ask questions, big deal!

I dont understand it, but that seems to be par for the course on here
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To be fair though, this really would be a good sticky, I don’t know how one goes about making one of those, mods or something? But a couple of us really should just sit down and write it out in plain English, the question gets asked enough, along with lots of others. We couple probably sum up all the grain charge, smokeless vs BP, and legality questions in 3 clearly written threads.
 
C96 1897 said:
I've found a lot of the time people on here are hostile when you ask a question. They seem to forget that they didnt know everything at the start. Sometimes people can't find what there looking for on Google so they ask questions, big deal!

I dont understand it, but that seems to be par for the course on here
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Said like someone who ALSO doesn't grasp the legal precariousness of not truely understanding these particular regulations.

If you need it explained to you by a random guy on the internet, this isn't the part of this hobby for you.
 
UpperCanadaRebellion said:
Said like someone who ALSO doesn't grasp the legal precariousness of not truely understanding these particular regulations.

If you need it explained to you by a random guy on the internet, this isn't the part of this hobby for you.
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You just proved my point!

Just randomly believing things you read on the internet is a dumb idea I agree. But trying to get opinions from several people on a forum would probably set you in the right direction for further research. Not necessarily take any advice at face value, but with a little more knowledge research is easier.

Then jerks like you come in and sh*t all over the new guy for wanting to learn the ropes.

So all that to say, in the most polite way possible, go f*ck yourself and go somewhere else to bully people to make yourself feel better, we dont need or want you here.
 
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C96 1897 said:
You just proved my point!

Just randomly believing things you read on the internet is a dumb idea I agree. But trying to get opinions from several people on a forum would probably set you in the right direction for further research. Not necessarily take any advice at face value, but with a little more knowledge research is easier.

Then jerks like you come in and sh*t all over the new guy for wanting to learn the ropes.

So all that to say, in the most polite way possible, go f*ck yourself and go somewhere else to bully people to make yourself feel better, we dont need or want you here.
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Well said
 
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