Antiques and storage laws?

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Hey guys,
I've always been under the belief that storage laws don't apply to antiques. I have applied for and gotten RCMP antique letters in the past, in these letters it states that storage and transport laws apply... As best I can work out the only transport law applies to antique hand guns (locked in a case for transport) and NO storage laws. I was reading the cbsa web sight and they also say "storage and transport laws apply".

I called the cfc and was told, "yes, storage and transport laws apply because antiques still meet the criminal code definition of a gun". So does a bb gun, pellet gun, nail gun, and so on... Do I need to lock up my pellet gun? Also the storage and transport laws are in the firearms act not the criminal code.

So here I am scratching my head. What are the laws? Does anyone know? Can I display antique handguns? Are shadow boxes ok? What about just sitting on a shelf or the coffee table is that ok?
 
1) Asking the CFC anything won't really help, as they're known to make up the rules as they go, and enforce "rules" that aren't rules to anyone but themselves, so being told that XYZ is true by them doesn't necessarily mean anything. The person you're talking to might not even know what you're talking about, or they may know the law exactly but there's no way to really tell. Twice I've had to be transferred when the person I've been talking to didn't know antique status existed if that illustrates who you're dealing with when they're telling you things.

2) Generally I think all antiques are treated like Non-res guns. Don't load them in no-discharge areas, transport them unloaded, if left unattended, locked and not visible (ie back seat with blanket or in trunk). I always carry mine locked to avoid police harassment in the possible event of it happening, but don't think it's strictly the law. For display in a house, I think as long as the house is locked while you aren't around you're ok. I'm not sure about access to them by people in your house. I know they don't care about flintlocks hanging above a fireplace, but I'd bet they'd have a hissy fit if it was a revolver, even though they're the same under antique status law. It comes down to how much do you want to stand your ground on what you have to do vs what they'd like you to do. I believe a reasonable middle ground would be to make a nice metal lined wood and lexan fronted shadow box not easily broken into, or make wall mounted locks that allow the gun to be tastefully displayed but not removed or operated.
 
Antiques must be stored and transported according to the rules that apply to non-restricted (for long guns) and restricted (for handguns) firearms. The only difference is that firearms classified as Antiques do not need to be registered under the current system.
 
Antique handguns don't need to be trigger locked, but need to be in a locked container for transport, that it IT when it comes to transport of any antiques.

For storage they must simply be unloaded, that it all.
 
Mike, I'm sorry but your wrong. Restricteds need to be locked in a case AND trigger locked while antique handguns only need to be locked in a case. 1 lock vs 2. Also no att.

As for storage, I don't think they need to be locked up... But what the heck do I know?
 
Nail guns and blank pistols are covered by cc 84 3 and are not firearms unless used in a criminal act. Neither they nor actual guns which meet the antique definition require an ATT to transport nor do they need to be registered. As above they do need to be treated as their modern equivalents for transportation and storage. Once at a destination, an antique classed handgun becomes equivalent of a non restricted long gun in terms of being able to carry it or discharge it.

cheers mooncoon
 
I'm sorry fellas, but I recently completed the Verifier's course and this was explicitly covered in the course material as the way I described to you. I'll concede it is possible the rules changed since the course material was written but that's how they spelled it out.

Edit:

Just checked the regs and you guys are right. Doesn't surprise me though that the Verifier's course is giving out false information.
 
Mikerock, the fellow teaching the course was not correct. I've pasted below the actual law on storage and transport. As can be seen below, there is only one requirement for storage ...... the firearm must be unloaded. No lock necessary.

14. (1) An individual may store, display or transport an antique firearm only if it is unloaded.


(2) An individual may transport an antique firearm in an unattended vehicle only if


(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and



(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the antique firearm, is securely locked.



(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.

Edit: I see you just posted the law as I was posting the above. As I stated above, there is only one requirement for storage ..... the antique must be unloaded. For transportation of antique handguns, no trigger lock is required, only a locked case as stated in the law.
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Below is what the RCMP website has to say about storage and transportation of antique firearms. So you do not need to lock up your antiques like non-restricted or restricted firearms. Even if the antique firearm barrel length is prohibited:eek:. Wow you guys are fast as I typed this out 2 other peopel gave the same response.

http://205.193.86.86/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/antique-historique-eng.htm

Safety Regulations

Under the Firearms Act, antique firearms must be stored, displayed and transported unloaded.

If you are transporting your antique firearms and need to leave them unattended*, leave them in your vehicle’s locked trunk or similar compartment. If your vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment, lock the vehicle and leave the antique firearms inside and out of sight.

Antique handguns must be locked in a heavy-duty, non-see-through container that cannot be easily broken open during transportation.

* Unattended means a vehicle that is not under the direct and immediate supervision of an adult (18 years of age or older) or a minor (with a minor’s licence).
 
I was thinking about this topic recently and was wondering about displaying antiques legally.
From what I have read here it would be legal to make a shadow-box which is firmly attached to the wall (screwed into the studs) with a Lexan cover which is locked. The lock may not be required by law but it would keep the antiques from wandering off. I currently store my antiques (handguns) with my restricted's but it would be nice to see them out in the open.
 
Cops Did not like it when i had my Antique "prohibited" 32 RImfire Pistol on my computer Case.....

(But all was ok after i told them it was antique.


(i never keep them out.. most of the time if there are out i am making a video or cleaning them.)


"ALso the cop was a friend of mine"
 
So, it looks like most of you agree with me in that there is no legal need for a lock when storing antique pistols. That still leaves me wondering why the RCMP/cbsa would try to tell us there is.
 
locke it said:
So, it looks like most of you agree with me in that there is no legal need for a lock when storing antique pistols. That still leaves me wondering why the RCMP/cbsa would try to tell us there is.
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Without "bashing" on the RCMP/CBSA :yingyang: , I've found that "even" some people in the CFO's office (either by error :redface: , or by design :( ) don't actually communicate the proper information found in the legal regs....:wave:
 
As a bit of insurance, I would print off, and possibly even laminate, the regs from the original RCMP site. I would also keep a copy of the exemption letter, if it's a handgun. Most cops barely know about firearms regs in general, and diddly squat about antiques.
 
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