Any .22 pistol to stay away from?
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Have you really read my post? Have you watched the videos? I clearly said: a unmodified GSG/Sig Sauer 1911. The GSG/Sig does not neeed anything installed on it and can run as well as your Ruger Mark II.
The fact that I personally installed the ZRTS Performance Package on my GSG 1911 does not mean that the pistol was a junk and could not shoot without the ZRTS Package.
yes, not only did I read your post, but I also highlighted the important stuff.
Cheap sarcastic shot, nice. Very mature and conducive to effective and constructive communication, while ensuring the furtherance of solidarity within the firearms community.
Correct, the reassembly is the more difficult process than the disassembly. They sold millions because it's a solid pistol, and the market did not have the number of other options it does now. I had a Mk II for over a decade, and still wonder if I should have sold it. My statement comes from many people expressing that the Mk I - III's were the most challenging to do maintenance on. This is well publicized and seen on many YouTube videos. In my experience with .22LR pistols, the Mk II I had would be rated as the one requiring the most precise technique to put back together. Agreed that it is not "rocket science" but there is a curve of comprehension amongst individuals. Some amazing shooters are mechanically inept and some gunsmiths are lousy shooters. All of what you are saying about it being a task that can be learned and someone should be taught basic maintenance in hand with learning to shoot has significant validity, however, it may not be the best introduction to shooting. Start simple and move up is generally a more effective method of introduction, training and education. Yes indeed, the Mk IV is pricey, and there are lots of used .22LR pistols out there for a good price.
+1 vote for the GSG 1911. Although I don't shoot thousands of rounds through mine (yet 
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Winchester wildcat has to be the worst ammo in the history of the world. I always thought thunderbolts were bad, but those wildcats are the worst!!!
*I've been shooting a ton of CCI subsonics from my son's GSG16, and it's been perfectly reliable so far. great plinking combo.
).Winchester wildcat has to be the worst ammo in the history of the world. I always thought thunderbolts were bad, but those wildcats are the worst!!!
*I've been shooting a ton of CCI subsonics from my son's GSG16, and it's been perfectly reliable so far. great plinking combo.
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The main problem with difficult re-assembly of the old style Ruger Mk pistols, is instructions like: turn it upside-down, hold the trigger, tilt it forward, insert this, tilt it back, lock the piece...
If people don't know *why* they're doing these steps, it will always be a mysterious chore. If they understand that they're moving the hammer, tipping its swivelling strut onto the bearing for the main spring which is compressed in the removable back strap, and relate it to the pieces and their relative positions as they see when the pistol is apart, most would only have to look at a tutorial video the first time.
You meet lots of Mk shooters at the range. If anyone expresses fear of taking it down to clean, I can very quickly (with their permission) take it apart, explain those bits, and have it back together. The response is 'that wasn't as bad as I was told by everybody .' [New pistols are a little tight to work with, I'll admit.]
If people don't know *why* they're doing these steps, it will always be a mysterious chore. If they understand that they're moving the hammer, tipping its swivelling strut onto the bearing for the main spring which is compressed in the removable back strap, and relate it to the pieces and their relative positions as they see when the pistol is apart, most would only have to look at a tutorial video the first time.
You meet lots of Mk shooters at the range. If anyone expresses fear of taking it down to clean, I can very quickly (with their permission) take it apart, explain those bits, and have it back together. The response is 'that wasn't as bad as I was told by everybody .' [New pistols are a little tight to work with, I'll admit.]
I agree, I will dive into tearing down any firearm and have successfully completely disassembled a Ruger Mk3 many times. It is the worst firearm to reassemble I have had the experience of dealing with. Mine jammed constantly and also wasn't very accurate, so why own one? Buy a Buckmark for less money and have something reliable, accurate and don't need a NASA engineer to reassemble.
Ruger sells millions of 10/22's as well, also one of the worst rimfire semi's I have ever owned. I am a fan of Ruger as well, I have had several of their revolvers and they are amazing firearms. The 10/22 and Mk3 I owned were both massive disappointments. Maybe I did something wrong, but both jammed constantly, and weren't at all accurate.
While on the topic, I noticed that no one mentioned the Sig P226 in 22lr. I don’t have any feed back to report but was curious if anyone with experience of the firearm could elaborate? As the 1911 & mosquito don’t seem to have a very good rep..
The SIG Cal X Change kits in 22LR for the P220,226,228/9 run round nose 40gr ammo quite well....for plinking purposes.
The BEST 22LR magazine option for a SIG P220,226,228/9 are the 3D printed gsdesigns.ca that have the slide lock option...for those who can not count to 10 using the OEM SIG magazines.
I've modified a SIG P226 22LR magazine to insert into a P227 10rd mag body so that I have the option to install one of my P220 22LR top end on one of my P227's.
For accuracy work/grouse head shots I grab one of my Ruger MkI's or MkII's.
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One of my S&W mdl 41's.
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Ah, to live in a free country where citizens are trusted to bring a handgun into the woods.
That’s awesome! I did see the option of converting slides and barrel, but I like to keep my p226 in 9mm setup. Good to know about gsdesigns, I have found that there is no better fit then a p226 for my hand and would like to keep a 22lr set up close to it, for practice/trainer obviously. Might have to give the p226r a go.
Same here, had my Mark II heavy barrel target for 20 years. Never had one jam, always runs, excellent accuracy. My club has a couple of these as loaner guns also, same story. I also had great luck with a Browning Nomad and had both 4" and 6" barrels for one frame.
I agree with DANS40X, I have other way around, I get P226 in 22LR but put XChange Kit in 9mm.
I keep counting the round, so last round hold open is not an issue for me.
It has around 3000 rounds, no major problem, most if not all ammo related.
It has OK accuracy, compare to my S&W 617, Victory and Buckmark.
Not as much as I should. Reason being it gets shot at 1 place, the range. ��
My BR rifles that is another story.......��
