Any arguments against the Ruger American?

This week 4 shot bolt action rifles are still legal, and as I am lacking a bolt action of any kind, now seems a good time.

I was looking at the American, it seems to be $650-1000 depending on iron sights vs scope, which seems to be entry level pricing.

Any opinions on the hardware itself, thoughts on the included scope, or the American's use of polymer vs more traditional wood stock, or preference for one caliber over another are invited.

Anticipated use case scenario includes initially admiring it as it leans against the wall in a closet with thoughts of shorter range use in BC forests for deer or a moving to Alberta future with longer range uses starting to form in my head.

I have one on consignment at international shooting supplies in surrey for $475 haha. Awesome rifle, only sold it because i upgraded to a high end rifle.

Shoots really well. Trigger is nice. Never had a problem with it, other than the magazine being kinda crap (the last round was always bad at feeding). Barrel was pretty nice on it, and the bolt was solid. I owned that Ruger for a long time, and it never let me down.
 
I have one and love it. For the money. Service tech...tikka's are more for the foremans. ;)

What I love:
Accurate
Needs nothing from the gunsmith, full kitchen table build.
Can get trigger to where you like, mine went down to 3 lbs without a spring mod or swap, and I shoot that just fine out to 500, good for passing to the kids too.
Bedding set up works, it shoots tight right out of the box.
AR magazine that came with mine. All metal and quality for the long haul.
Barrel is threaded, a good thing to have for future proofing perhaps one day we will have suppressors.
Mounting options, either the rail that came on it or easy to get bases/rings such as talley etc.
The factory stock fit and feel is great for the budget.
Weight is good if setting up as a hunting rig it's ideal, not too light, not too heavy.
Aftermarket pretty good for them, parts, stocks, chassis, and tuning tips and tricks to snick them up a bit and smooth things out on feeding etc.

What I don't like;
1. tang safety, they suck in a chassis which is what I did, great for regular stocks however
2. bolt doesn't lock down on safe, which is fine since mine is in a chassis the safety is bolt handle up, it actually locks and holds that position better than bolt down
3. on the factory stock the soft tacky recoil pad, I don't like the squishy sticky recoil pads that seem to come on a lot of things these days, cured as I'm in a chassis

I prefer this to cz 527 and howa mini in the micro length action cartridge I shoot. The cz is nice but mine go to smith for the usual suspects especially pillar bedding and action needs some jb bore compound and few hundred cycles to snick up, trigger can be a bit finicky to set but was able to get almost creep free 2 3/4 lbs and then loctite the creep adjustment screw down so it didn't back out. The cz didn't shoot quite as good as the howa or ruger out of the box. The howa's two redeeming qualities were accuracy and bolt that locks down on safe...and only the barrel and bolt of acceptable quality for the budget, the stock, bottom plastic and magazine are garbage, the safety while in right spot is cheap and crap feel stamped nonsense and the 2 stage trigger has a cheap feel although you can get it to break well and at the lower poundages easily.

All these options and including savages have trade offs, just have to figure out which ones work best for you. I have to replace a ton on howa to make me happy. The cz needs most effort but is the gem once that is done. The ruger just needs nothing and there's a charm in it that I dig. It can be 100% left alone out of the box and just get it done and that itself makes it a budget winner. I never compared to savage though and maybe savage would be closer to the ruger. I shot a buddies axis .270 win not long ago after saving his chamber from rust (put away wet with one up the pipe) and hooking him up with a deal on one of my accupoint scopes and had some leftover 140 ab ammo and man that thing shoots tight as we redid the rings/bases/scope and I zero it for him, it felt alright, but the magazine and safety...meh. I think if I was in a standard short action cartridge the ruger would win out over savage axis and even the 110 types unless I was after that stainless lightweight...probably the only savage I'd contemplate.

I've had tikka's and sako a7, they are another level in a lot of ways and I'd be going to chassis and aics mags to deal with the weak points, on the tikka anyway. Just not the same class so anyone waffling between the classes, I think ruger rocks the working mans class but the tikka chassis set ups go next level and can run with just about anything out there regardless of price.
 
Like a lot of stuff these days ....Im priced outa the high end stuff....gotta find calue and the occasional gem in the rough of more affordable stuff
 
I've had tikka's and sako a7, they are another level in a lot of ways and I'd be going to chassis and aics mags to deal with the weak points, on the tikka anyway. Just not the same class so anyone waffling between the classes, I think ruger rocks the working mans class but the tikka chassis set ups go next level and can run with just about anything out there regardless of price.

That does sound pretty badassed! Goes a bit beyond my uses, but that could be said about a lot of the hunting/shooting that you do too lol.
 
One left thr factory that shoots 180gr into .88" and that one particular 175gr into 2.5"

There ya go. Junk lol.

See all the other videos he has where the other ones are shooting one holers? Lol
 
Bought a new Ruger American .22-250. Stock was the flimsiest ever, action was roughest I`ve ever seen, bolt face looked like it had been shaped with a grinder, machine work in general was pathetic, trigger was horrible ( creep & weight), it would rust just sitting there, wouldn`t group better than 1.5" at 100 yards and the best for last, wouldn`t feed worth a damm. Tried 3 different magazines and it would not feed reliably with any of them. By far the worst rifle I had ever shot or owned, so yes, JUNK.

As a side note, buddy of mine had a cheap assed Savage Axis and it was far and away a better rifle than the Ruger.
 
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One left thr factory that shoots 180gr into .88" and that one particular 175gr into 2.5"

There ya go. Junk lol.

See all the other videos he has where the other ones are shooting one holers? Lol

well crap, can't seem to post pics anymore, if anyone can tell me how to clear out my 'space' send me a pm

but pic is of the first two on paper out of my murican ranch after brief 12 round ditch break in (clean, 3, clean 4, clean 5, clean) then put a 6x36 on it at the kitchen table, grabbed some factory hornady eld-m and set up at 200 with the board and 200 yard paper target after quick bore sight zero by eyeball down bore, pumped one into the hill side to foul, then I sent two at the big paper target to see where on the big target I landed to walk into zero, I could only see one hole in the spotting scope so went for a walk, both touching at 200, good way to start, and many seasons later, 3 shooters, a couple scope swaps, zero checks, data collection days, this thing plain shoots factory and you have to have an off day to see 3 shots group over 1 moa out to 500 yards, mine groups go back and forth between 1/2 and 1 moa, that's just me though, so it's a 3/4 average 3 shot gun in my hands which is about as good as I've ever shot anything except maybe my old tikka varmint stainless .204 (1" 3 shots at 250 yards with the old federal 39gr bk factory routine for zero checks)

a friend grabbed a murican predator in man bun after he researched them and it does tiny clovers at 100 with factory hornady stuff, but my research led me to understand these as accurate in the same league and volume as savage and tikka, I wasn't disappointed at all, neither was my friend

and this was with both of ours bone stock out of the box, factory stock, nothing done to them, mine moved into a chassis at some point, his is still in factory stock but may move into a chassis also, I've had a handful of tikka's and a blaser, and these run with them neck and neck accuracy wise
 
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1 MOA at 500 yards? Cloverleafs at 100 yards? Should be one ragged 6.5mm hole. They're junk!

For the pics, I just upload to postimage and embed.

Bad Bob said:
Bought a new Ruger American .22-250. Stock was the flimsiest ever, action was roughest I`ve ever seen, bolt face looked like it had been shaped with a grinder, machine work in general was pathetic, trigger was horrible ( creep & weight), it would rust just sitting there, wouldn`t group better than 1.5" at 100 yards and the best for last, wouldn`t feed worth a damm. Tried 3 different magazines and it would not feed reliably with any of them. By far the worst rifle I had ever shot or owned, so yes, JUNK.

As a side note, buddy of mine had a cheap assed Savage Axis and it was far and away a better rifle than the Ruger.

Interesting.

I have one on me right now to compare to a Savage Axis thats a little older. Decided to take some pics for comparison here. That poor poor Burris scope on the Ruger is a testimony to why you should ask guys on ####### for more pics lol. Apparently he mounted it with a pipe wrench by the look and "didn't notice" the tube crush? Some people's kids...I use it on beater rifles.

Ruger action works with the oft hyped "buttery smoothness" of others except it takes a little more force to cam and #### at the top of bolt lift. Savage is pretty good too. I don't see any rough machining on the action.

Stock flimsiness? Gonna say a tie. The Axis is easily as flimsy and its as easy to make the barrel channel touch the barrel. Course the Ruger has the two metal V bedding blocks going for it at least...but both companies have since redone their stocks. I don't know about the newer Axis stocks but the Ruger American 2nd gen are much stiffer.

Finish...I like the American's finish better, although both have been truck guns, both have been hunted, and none are showing rust. They've done a lot more than just "sit there"

Reliability...This ones still going strong on its first rotary mag after years and has never, ever given me a problem in feeding. Neither has its 300 Blackout friend. The Savage feeds just great but only ejects when it wants to, or you work the bolt just so and briskly enough.

Bolt face...Savage definitely has a smoother bolt face, perhaps their CAD robot runs at a more appropriate speed or more likely it receives a measure of polish afterward that the Ruger does not. The Ruger is far from hideous though, looks like just a bit of chatter coming off the cutting tools. Makes no difference whatsoever in use, and I don't much care.

Accuracy...This Savage is more consistently accurate (less picky) than this particular Ruger, shooting a wider array of ammo into .75". The Ruger easily beats 1.5" though.

In short, not a lot of difference between the two rifles and none of the Americans here manifest any of the problems you mention at all. If one ever did it would be on its way back to Ruger immediately as it was a new rifle that didn't work, and that would have been that.

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That's great.

I'll stick with what keeps demonstrably working just fine for me too.

Comparing two random examples side by side I really don't see how the Axis or the American is clearly a better rifle at all. Never have. Still would have sent the Ruger with issues right back, too.

Blakeyboy, does yours rust just sitting there too? :)
 
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I always felt that when the T3 first came out they were excellent Bang for the Buck. Then they got waaay more expensive and they were much less attractive.

i think i paid over $600 for my first one but it was not the t3x that is way better but more expensive as well ... i do find them better than many others and are available in many calibers and even in left hand version. what not to like.
 
i think i paid over $600 for my first one but it was not the t3x that is way better but more expensive as well ... i do find them better than many others and are available in many calibers and even in left hand version. what not to like.

$1100 at the cheapest, new, and $100 for cheap polymer magazines. That said I do think they're great guns.

Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
2nd Gen. stocks are Honeycomb pattern in the fore-end and way stiffer than the originals.

Yessir, they sure are.

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Its definitely a lot more rigid than the older stocks yeah
 
Blakeyboy, does yours rust just sitting there too? :)

I don't notice it any different than any other non stainless rig I've had no. Pretty dry here and I used for long time g96 to wipe most things down routinely but now wd-40 specialist long term corrosion inhibitor to keep that coating on all the metal bits as research put it and some frog goop as a couple top choices for this task. Definitely get after it after bad weather and make sure the chambers don't start as once you've dealt with that headache you get a bit better at looking after your rigs, and buddies rigs at times also. I miss the smell of the g96 though.
 
I don't notice it any different than any other non stainless rig I've had no. Pretty dry here and I used for long time g96 to wipe most things down routinely but now wd-40 specialist long term corrosion inhibitor to keep that coating on all the metal bits as research put it and some frog goop as a couple top choices for this task. Definitely get after it after bad weather and make sure the chambers don't start as once you've dealt with that headache you get a bit better at looking after your rigs, and buddies rigs at times also. I miss the smell of the g96 though.

Right on! I have Corrosion-X from CLP but never had rusting problems for years before that. Want to try the WD-40 specialist though.

The Crisco...er, FrogLube says you need to completely strip all the old oil and lube off the rifle before applying. Sounds like work lol.
 
All I know is that after all this I am still not going to sell my corvette to buy a Chev Equinox. I like quality stuff that performs and Ruger Americans don`t.
 
All I know is that after all this I am still not going to sell my corvette to buy a Chev Equinox. I like quality stuff that performs and Ruger Americans don`t.

Except for the majority of the time when they do. So what did you do with it instead of getting it repaired or replaced through Ruger?

I can keep posting all the ones that do perform like your corvette. Got a lot more to photograph or document working just fine. Add em up with Blakeyboys, Sun_and_Steels, and others here and it starts becoming a lot of photo evidence for the ones that work great.

Sorry yours was a lemon. Condeming the entire line of rifles because of it is nonsense. At least the OP sees all the ones that are running super.
 
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