Any experience with a cz canvasback?

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I'm looking for my first over/under and considering the cz canvasback 12 gauge. Anyone have any experience good or bad with this shotgun?
 
They are a good entry level over/under for their intended use which is mainly hunting. Some have had good luck using them in the clays sports. Guns before 2008 tended to have problems.
 
gunsaholic said:
Are you buying new? If not, check the serial number. The first 2 digits are the year it was made. If used and the first 2 numbers are below 08, I would maybe think twice about it.
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Thanks, I was buying new. Went to the gun shop today and wouldn't you know it sold out! They didn't update the site for a while. I walked out with a 12 gauge cz upland ultralight that just came in today. That sucker is light and feels great to shoulder. Can't wait to shoot it.
 
langbanger said:
Thanks, I was buying new. Went to the gun shop today and wouldn't you know it sold out! They didn't update the site for a while. I walked out with a 12 gauge cz upland ultralight that just came in today. That sucker is light and feels great to shoulder. Can't wait to shoot it.
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Where in SK did you get your Uplander. I'm looking for the Redhead Target!
 
That'll make a fine field gun, but you'll find it hard on the shoulder to shoot trap with such a light gun. Hard on the gun a bit, too. It's made light on purpose, so it'll be nice to carry in the field and quick to shoulder. The occasional round of trap won't hurt it, especially when brand new - the CZ's tend to be quite tight when they're new. You should protect your shoulder, though - a gel pad or similar to keep your shoulder from getting beat up. (Not necessary in the field, as your shoulder gets a chance to recuperate between shots.)
 
straightshooter said:
That'll make a fine field gun, but you'll find it hard on the shoulder to shoot trap with such a light gun. Hard on the gun a bit, too. It's made light on purpose, so it'll be nice to carry in the field and quick to shoulder. The occasional round of trap won't hurt it, especially when brand new - the CZ's tend to be quite tight when they're new. You should protect your shoulder, though - a gel pad or similar to keep your shoulder from getting beat up. (Not necessary in the field, as your shoulder gets a chance to recuperate between shots.)
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Hey Straightshooter,

I am looking at a CZ also for Trap/Spoorting clay. I own a CZ SP01 Shadow (9mm Luger) and love CZ products.

What is a "Good" weight range for a Trap/Skeet/Spoorting clay 12 gauge.

I am looking at the CZ Redhead Target or the CZ BRNO (30" barrel, 12 gauge, 2 3/4" O/U), the Target weight is 8 1/4 pounds & the BRNO weight is 7 1/2 pounds.

http://http://cz-usa.com/products/view/redhead-target/

www.czub.cz/en/catalog/365-shotguns/OUZBR/BRNO_COMPETITION.aspx

Clearly the Target is heavier (and more trap specific) you just can't get the Target or BRNO 30" in Canada! That sucks.

Steve
 
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straightshooter said:
That'll make a fine field gun, but you'll find it hard on the shoulder to shoot trap with such a light gun. Hard on the gun a bit, too. It's made light on purpose, so it'll be nice to carry in the field and quick to shoulder. The occasional round of trap won't hurt it, especially when brand new - the CZ's tend to be quite tight when they're new. You should protect your shoulder, though - a gel pad or similar to keep your shoulder from getting beat up. (Not necessary in the field, as your shoulder gets a chance to recuperate between shots.)
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I completely disagree. I took it out today and shot 50 or so 2 3/4, 1 1/8 oz, 71/2 shot and the recoil was similar to my 870 express. I might not want to drop big canadas with 3" bb all day, but for shooting clays I don't believe it's hard on myself or the gun at all.
 
lemonsorbie said:
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Hey Straightshooter,

I am looking at a CZ also for Trap/Spoorting clay. I own a CZ SP01 Shadow (9mm Luger) and love CZ products.

What is a "Good" weight range for a Trap/Skeet/Spoorting clay 12 gauge.

I am looking at the CZ Redhead Target or the CZ BRNO (30" barrel, 12 gauge, 2 3/4" O/U), the Target weight is 8 1/4 pounds & the BRNO weight is 7 1/2 pounds.

http://http://cz-usa.com/products/view/redhead-target/

www.czub.cz/en/catalog/365-shotguns/OUZBR/BRNO_COMPETITION.aspx

Clearly the Target is heavier (and more trap specific) you just can't get the Target or BRNO 30" in Canada! That sucks.

Steve
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8 1/4 lbs is right in the sweet spot, give or take a bit.



langbanger said:
I completely disagree. I took it out today and shot 50 or so 2 3/4, 1 1/8 oz, 71/2 shot and the recoil was similar to my 870 express. I might not want to drop big canadas with 3" bb all day, but for shooting clays I don't believe it's hard on myself or the gun at all.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. But, I stand behind my earlier comments. Using a Canvasback on a regular basis as a competition gun will result in premature wear and damage to the gun. This is not a 'dis' on CZ or the Canvasback model - I happen to be a big CZ fan. It's simply a realistic assessment of the suitability of a particular gun for a particular purpose (keeping in mind that these assessments are all relative. If there were no competition guns made, we might have lower standards for them.)

As for the recoil you experienced, the weight of your Express may be similar to the Canvasback, I don't know. In any discussion about recoil, the comments made have to be relative. In other words, compared to an 870 Express, the recoil of a 12 ga Canvasback may be very similar. The two are both field guns, so this shouldn't be a huge surprise. However, in my previous comments, I was comparing the Canvasback to an actual competition-version U/O. You will find a noticeable difference between those two.

I wasn't trying to dissuade you from shooting trap with your Canvasback. Rather, I was pointing out that Canvasbacks were not designed or built for constant use in clay sports. If you think you can shoot 10,000 rounds a year through your Canvasback with no ill effects, go ahead and prove me wrong.

In the interests of full disclosure, I should admit that I own CZ shotgun products (which I use only in the field) and I spent a great deal of time evaluating them when they first became available in Canada. Sharptail and I posted a review of our examinations of CZ's Bobwhite model here on GunNutz, as well as at:


ht tp://www.members.shaw.ca/sharptail/CZReview.pdf
 
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(I'm glad you enjoyed it. But, I stand behind my earlier comments. Using a Canvasback on a regular basis as a competition gun will result in premature wear and damage to the gun)

I agree. I had a canvasback and they are great value/guns for their intended use. I don't know what volume the OP intends shooting clays wise, but I believe even CZ/Huglu will tell anyone that these guns were not designed/intended for long term high volume shooting.
 
Your points are well taken. At my level I couldn't possibly imagine shooting 10,000 rounds a year. I was thinking 1000 would be high for me! Just saying with those shells the recoil didn't bother me. I would love to someday be putting 10,000 a year through the barrels. Also, it was the upland ultralight I ended up buying. I wanted the canvasback but couldn't find one. I think I'll keep looking for a canvasback or redhead for duck hunting. Straightshooter, do you have any experience with the cz sporter? I would like to buy a 10,000 round a year O/U someday (when the kids grow up and free time becomes existent). If not the cz sporter, any recommendations?
 
Owned a 20 gauge CZ Mallard for a season, pointed like a wand, nice light gun to carry around as well. Kind of regret selling it.
Stocked a little high for some people, it took some getting used to. Same issue with the CZ Bobwhite I owned, except I could never get a good fit on that.
Most important that the gun fits you, regardless of price. You will shoot a $400 gun that fits YOU better than a $4000 one that doesn't, everytime.
 
langbanger said:
Your points are well taken. At my level I couldn't possibly imagine shooting 10,000 rounds a year. I was thinking 1000 would be high for me! Just saying with those shells the recoil didn't bother me. I would love to someday be putting 10,000 a year through the barrels. Also, it was the upland ultralight I ended up buying. I wanted the canvasback but couldn't find one. I think I'll keep looking for a canvasback or redhead for duck hunting. Straightshooter, do you have any experience with the cz sporter? I would like to buy a 10,000 round a year O/U someday (when the kids grow up and free time becomes existent). If not the cz sporter, any recommendations?
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I haven't seen any Sporters in Canada, so I can't comment on those.

If you can find a used Beretta 682 with adjustable comb, chokes and 30" barrels, you'd have a great gun for both migratory bird hunting and trap shooting.

Below the 682 price point, you can buy the F.A.I.R. Carrera Sporting under $3000 new with a warranty.

Available in Canada (at the phenomenal end of the scale and with correspondingly phenomenal prices) are Caesar Guerinis, Perazzis, and Kreighoffs. These are nice sporting guns by anybody's standards.

Not available in Canada, but I wish they were, are Renato Gamba's Daytona series.
 
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