Any info on this shotgun

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Don't know much about shotguns, this one came to me from an older lady that wanted it out of the house as her husband had passed away years earlier. This appears to be a .410 2 3/4" but there is no name or gauge markings on it. No serial number, just a few proofing marks. Does anyone recognize this bolt action single shot smooth bore? Any info would be good and a price to list at if I find it won't be used in my collection. Thanks for your time.
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If there is a magazine cut in the bottom of the receiver, its a converted 71/84. If the bottom is solid, its a 71.
$50 - $100 as a sort of a novelty?
 
well im guessing its worth about the same as a geha (another converted Mauser) there worth from $50-$150 although the hard hit hearts (same gun better finnish) sell for a little more
 
I believe that is an "original" Remo which is a Mauser, as stated before, converted to a shotgun. There are also Remo LR Mauser 98s and Geha LR Mauser 98s converted to shot guns. The Remo 98s are rather scarce and more refined than the Geha. You'd be lucky to find a Remo 98 but the Gehas are more available. I believe they all came in now (.410) - 20 - 16 - 12 and price wise as stated before but I would pay more for a 98 Remo perhaps $200. FWIW --- John303.
 
The Gehas have the receiver ring bored out to accept the shotgun round. The boltface is bored out and a new, larger in diameter piece installed. Held in place by the modified extractor.
The action locks using the third lug in the '98 Mauser. Lots of bolt action shotguns have only one lug - the root of the bolt handle.
I have never heard of a Geha failing.

As far as the subject gun in this thread goes, if the curved bolt handle is original, it was a 71 carbine that was converted.

A lot of obsolete breechloaders were converted to shotguns, from the French Tabatieres into Zulus, Gras, Beaumonts, Mausers, Nagants, Martinis. At the time these obsolete guns were more saleable as shotguns than as rifles.
 
tiriaq said:
The Gehas have the receiver ring bored out to accept the shotgun round. The boltface is bored out and a new, larger in diameter piece installed. Held in place by the modified extractor.
The action locks using the third lug in the '98 Mauser. Lots of bolt action shotguns have only one lug - the root of the bolt handle.
I have never heard of a Geha failing.

As far as the subject gun in this thread goes, if the curved bolt handle is original, it was a 71 carbine that was converted.

A lot of obsolete breechloaders were converted to shotguns, from the French Tabatieres into Zulus, Gras, Beaumonts, Mausers, Nagants, Martinis. At the time these obsolete guns were more saleable as shotguns than as rifles.
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Thank you for the inside information tiriaq.

Duly noted.

Cheers!
 
You know, these shotguns are very unappreciated. They were certainly popular guns in their time though. Say 1890 into the '30s. Sort of thing found on a lot of farms. Not guns for sophisticated sportsmen, but inexpensive everyday work guns.
An interesting collection could be assembled at a modest cost.
 
dont want to jack the thread but about the geha's failing. from everything that i have found the lug was not the problem the reason they got a bad reputation was that every once in a million times if doing a fast reload the bolt face would fall off (mine now dose this a lot. i only use it as a single shot) fireing the gun with out the bolt face is not a good idea. i have been told the later remo models had a set screw to stop this from happening. i picked up a 12ga at a gun show for something to refinish.
 
Looks a bit like my Remo Popular in 12 guage...boots, there is no seperate bolt face on these variants, only on the Geha. I have a tastefully sporterized 1916 Spandau Geha that I have used for skeet and am now keeping for posterity. If the OP wants $50 for his .410 (which is what I paid for my Remo) I will pay that. My Remo is a wallhanger due to bolt problems, and also that I am afraid of the stock cracking due to it'd light weight.

 
huh good to know ive never actually seen a remo just geha's and a hard hit heart. the stock on mine cracked pretty much in half. i was in the process of re stocking it but have been traveling for the past 6 months.
 
boots / anyone; I have scanned & taken some pics. of a Remo 98 - need someone to Email them to for posting here. - kindly PM me your regular Email addy. --- John303.
 
John303 said:
I believe that is an "original" Remo which is a Mauser, as stated before, converted to a shotgun. There are also Remo LR Mauser 98s and Geha LR Mauser 98s converted to shot guns. The Remo 98s are rather scarce and more refined than the Geha. You'd be lucky to find a Remo 98 but the Gehas are more available. I believe they all came in now (.410) - 20 - 16 - 12 and price wise as stated before but I would pay more for a 98 Remo perhaps $200. FWIW --- John303.
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How would you tell the difference between the different Mausers? Thanks again for the info guys.
 
The 71/84 coversion was called the Remo Popular, the Geha, HHH and 98 Remo were based on a large ring 98 Military Mauser. The Geha & HHH were basically clones mechanically & wood wise. The 98 Remo was much more refined mechanically with a German style sporter stock. boots now has my pics. and will post asap they will show the differences. Anyone want a copy PM me your Email addy. --- John303.
 
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