Any interest in a service rifle postal match?

[Brobee]

Happy new year everyone!

Just wondering if there would be any interest in a service rifle style postal match on figure 11 targets? Match would work as follows:

• Registration commences 2 months prior to start of match.
• Registration fee of $30 to cover shipping of 12 actual size figure 11 targets to each participant via Canada Post.
• Any remaining funds after all targets shipped to be used to finance trophy for winner
• Match would consist of 6 heats, one per month for 6 months
• Heats would vary in range from 100 yards to either 300 or 500 (depending on feedback)
• Each heat would be 20 rounds for score
• Various service rifle shooting positions would be used (prone, sitting, kneeling, crouching, standing)
• scoring would be via e-mail submission of digital photograph taken at sufficient resolution for me to determine bullet holes
• everyone would be on the honor system for adhering to match description

Any interest?

Brobee

 

[Brobee]

Cr*ppy...accidentally posted in the wrong forum! Could I please impose on a moderator to benevolently move to the service rifle forum?

Thank you...

 

[Longshot]

No worries.What kind of guns and matches are you thinking?

 

[Brobee]

I was thinking something along the lines of service rifle style guns only...(ie: AR15, M14s/305/M1A, Sig Classic Green, etc etc etc)....just about anything with the exception of a bolt action sniper style rig.

With respect to match style, it would be kinda tame compared to real service rifle as solo participants would have difficulty effecting movers and snaps...but there would be things like rundowns.

 

[gambit]

aahhhh I have a 30-30 bolt action never fired it damm where can I do this ???

 

[beltfed]

I think this is a great initative. Are you thinking of setting it up similar to the battle rifle postal matches with different catagories?

 

[scout]

I wish you luck in trying to get more than 3 persons, let alone 3 or more clubs, to agree on just what a service rifle should be (just think of all of the combinations of questions concerning freefloat tubes, optical powers, calibers, iron sights, bipods/rests, et-frigin-cetera).

I'd suggest that you use NSCC rulebook (see dcra.ca) and the 16 matches outlined therein for a start. If there's enuf interest in generating different classes for the next year, that might be the time to do it. Let each club supply its own targets, pick a two week period for everyone to do it in along with a few matches, and mail in the results to someone that has some modest computer powers (and ability to decipher chicken scratch). Then publish here.

Honour system, so only thing up for grabs is the bragging rights (and to keep it honest, let the winning club be responsible for organizing the next year's stats! That'll teach 'em!).

 

[CLW .45]

Where does one get a look at the rules?

 

[klondike pete]

Postal Shoot

Hi
Yes I think I would be interested in this type of shoot.
Can we use the Le Enfield and Garand,at 300m and 500m,as long as w4e don,t have to run
Folkie

 

[NavyShooter]

Brobee....

How about a "Mad Minute" postal match?

Fired with an Enfield, start with a dry gun, and 16+ rounds....load and fire all rounds within a minute from 200 yards/meters (whichever distance you have available)

Sound challenging? Open to any Enfield with iron sights, sporterized or not....makes it a bit more inclusive?

We run an annual historic arms match here in NS, and I could suggest to the SR Chairperson that we tack that on to the end of the match.

The 200m/yd range requirement would also make it a bit more inclusive to people who don't have longer ranges available.

Just an idea...

NS

 

[Shelldrake]

Where does one get a look at the rules?

The DCRA National Service Conditions Rulebook is avail on their website at:

http://www.dcra.ca/rules.htm

 

[Savage]

It would appear that 63% of the shooters that answered the poll have a eithier a hard times shooting past 100m or cannot locate a range that is longer than 100m I hope this is the latter .I voted out to 500m

 

[tree mugger]

Savage, in and around Edmonton there is only Genesee and Garrison that go out past 300m/yds so I went with 300m.

 

[Savage]

I realize that finding a 300m/500 m range is difficult but in Calgary there seems to be a large number of shooters that think shooting reduced targets at 100m is service rifle with military rifles

 

[beltfed]

I voted to 300m as I see this as an opportunity for people with service rifles to get out and shoot, and be involved in a match without necessarily 'competing'.
I'm sure there are a lot of folks on the board here that are nowhere near a range facility that has the capability of longer ranges or organized shoots.
For those that are, maybe this is the impetus they could use to go forth and seek out clubs that do run service rifle matches, or start up matches at their existing range facilities.

 

[Longshot]

Even finding a 300m range out here is a little difficult.I'd love to take it to 500m but know that there just aren't any around.

 

[Doc911]

Even finding a 300m range out here is a little difficult.I'd love to take it to 500m but know that there just aren't any around.

Yah. I think Mission is the only one w/ frames to 300 (and then, I think it's only 275 yrds...), plus the crappy '1 round only' rule,.... and the Wet Coast sucks 'hind t*tty' again...
A major reason I haven't been able to shoot any of Brobees other matches (timings for work haven't let me 'sneak in' the required range time to get them shot, w/o being apprehended by the range nazi's...)
Anyone know of a more relaxed 300m range in the Lower Mainland/ GVRD...?

 

[sonofpaleface]

Keep It Super Simple To Start EH!

This is a very excellent idea. It definitely should proceed! All that will stop it or complicate it either an attack by one of my friends calls "technical weenies" and/or studied disinterest in any number of forms.

Quite simply such postal matches are VERY important.

We are in a Canadian political era of "Use it or lose it". Is it fair to say that is the reason the recent "fishing expedition" was launched in Ontario where the Police go out to check up on the "over 75 year olds" as to whether or not their firearms are safely stored..As in the UK the "oldsters" are asked in subtle or not so subtle terms to "get this problem" offf their hands by turning it in..

I for one am NOT going to the nursing home unless I can get out occasionally to fire off a few rounds from my Garand or No.4 Lee Enfield which I have had for the past 50 years. At age 67 it seems remote to consider it but then half an hour ago I had a phone call to say that a friend of mine just died in his 40s' so that stroke can come along anytime.

So lets live why we can! We dont wanna be looking at pictures of these because the current Liberal Government in Ontario and/or a minority federal Liberal Government in 2008 has legislated them..assault rifles eh! out of legal possession and most importantly LEGITIMATE competiton.

To "simplify it from the get go" I have a few suggestions based on actually competing in both DCRA CFSAC/NSCC in 1998-2001-2002 at the Connaught Ranges as well as in Historical Military Rifle Matches. They had four classes of rifles from the 1867-1960 eras: single shots 1867 to 1898 approx; turnbolt 1898 to 1945; semi automatic from 1914 to 1960; issue sniper rifles with scope.

My participation in these Historical Military Rifle matches was at the DCRA AGMs at the Connaught Ranges in 1998, 2001 and 2002.

In a way, it was "appalling" how few of us there were there to compete on such Historic Ranges; usuallu only about 25-35 contestants as I recall.

For a National Match in a Nation of 33 million people with how many historical service rifles that doesnt seem like a "full court press" in my opinion.

Thats WHY broadening the BASE of competition or "Just Showing Up" is sooooo important here!

There CANNOT BE TOO MANY SERVICE RIFLE SHOOTISTS!!

The "chicken and egg" aspect is apparent too. You really need a 300 or 500 metre range to really USE these service rifles.

One of my fondest shooting memories is...

As well these suggestions are based on what American Handgunner did to have a Worldwide IPSC pistol postal type competition. In that respect the American Handgunner match did NOT require any really "exotic" range set up..i.e in "rifle terms" either a 300 metre or 500 yard range.

That said I do think that having access to either or both a 300 metre and/or 500 metre match is the way to go. Thing is such facilities would severely RESTRICT who gets to compete. I live in Peterborough Ontario where in order to compete let alonge PRACTICE for a postal competition I would have to drive a minimum of 55 miles or possibly 200 miles to shoot on the Connaught Ranges.

A lot can be accomplished at 100 metres/100 yards to START this postal competition; after a year or two perhaps there will be some MORE 300 metre ranges let alone 500 yard ranges on which to compete like this poll suggests. The reasonable alternative in this situation would be to be use REDUCED SCALE Targets to simulate the longer 300 metre or even 500 metre ranges. Say use the Figure 11 as is at 100 metres and a reduced scale version of it to simulate 300 metres at the 100 metre distance.

So for "starters" I would suggest using the Fig 11 at 100 metres with 20 shots fired on score in a five minute or ten minute time limit..5 prone, 5 kneeling, 5 sitting and 5 off hand. Essentially one box of 20 rounds would do.

Another possibility is the one used and the one I competed in at the Connaught Ranges in 1998-2001-2002 at the DCRA AGM: ten shots shot prone with ISSUE sling only at 300 metres on the same figure II target.

In the 2002 Historical Military Rifle Match Competition at the Connaught Ranges in August 2002 I used my totally STOCK Danish Garand to shoot from the prone positon with my target scored by a visiting NRA/DCRA Member from the USA a 45/50 with 3Vs on a Fig 11 target at 300 metres.

I used the 1907 era leather Whelen style sling on my Garand M-1 to do so. The temperature was 105-110 degrees Fahrenheit..the forward word on the Garand after firing two sighters and ten on score was "too hot to touch". There were as I recall about 30 or more competitors that day; my score was the highest overall in the four competing classes of Historical Military Rifle including the issue Sniper Rifle class which brought some issue scoped Moisin Nagants or No. 4 Sniper rifles to the firing line.

To conclude, it would be appropriate to have a witness signature on the targets submitted. Not that it matters as there will be, unfortunately, always a 1-2% that will "cook the results". That doesnt really matter as the individual(s) will know HOW he/she/they managed to WIN.

The Historical Military Rifle Match at Connaught did include the rule that any winning rifle could be disassembled to see IF it really was STOCK..no glass bedding or new Krieger barrels installed.

Perhaps IF this National Postal Service Rifle competition takes off that could be adapted and/or asking the winners to declare that he/she/ they have abided by the SR rules and the "Spirit of the Game"...after all it is relatively easy to win at 100 metres with precision cast bullet loads with virtually no recoil versus full charge issue FMJ from 1954.

The Rules for DCRA NSCC would work well for either Provincial or National Competitions. I shot my issue Garand M-1 in the 1998 CFSAC at Connaught and had a lot of fun and fellowship doing it including back at 500 metres.