any IPSC shooters here want to give a newb a tip??

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Ok, i have been shooting anything and everything but handguns... handguns never really appealed to me until my fellow trap shooters introduced me to IPSC..

I am familar with glocks, 1911's, kimbers but everytime i ask a question to any shooters, i seem to get different answers... and most answers were kind of " my gun is the best"... which is no use for me..

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Which Pistols are known to shoot well and pros / cons with them? Would like to purhase both 9mm and 45auto (IPSC Ready) and please give this guy some options on which pistol to look for. I have heared Norinco are well worth the dollar?
budget per pistol will be around $1500 or cheaper
Also what are the most effective Night Sights??
 
First question we need answered is: What division do you want to compete in? (production, standard, open, revolver, classic)
The answer will determine what pistol may suit you better.

Second question: what pistol(s) fit your hand?
You said you're familiar with a few....familiar how? You can identify them or you've actually shot them.

Whether or not this helps you, I shoot production division with a CZ Shadow (9mm). A lot of other people also shoot the Shadow. Some shoot M&P's, and there's a smattering of other makes in the mix as well. Is the Shadow the best pistol?? Maybe. I know it is for me.
There are other factors involved as well.

You mention a IPSC ready 45ACP. Classic, standard......??? Answer questions one and two and we can continue.

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I have felt CZ Shadow IPSC ready pistol and they felt great and would start with standard side of it ?
I would prefer 1911 body that has tad bigger grips than CZ shadow.. Forgot to mention that i am a lefty so something that i can turn safty and mag release to the right. side of the pistol.
 
the cz shadow is THE gun for IPSC production div. - i like my glock too.
i've shot stages with a HK USP and an M&P9...i've yet to mess around with my sig226 (i will next time), but i always come back to the good old cz.

if you intend on shooting other divisions then i believe the most common platform over there is the 1911.

personally i'd start shooting prod div. to get a feel for the game...in fact i still do!

this is why my shadow still comes out to play:

- good grip and size for me
- grip angle and location naturally allows me to get a very high grip on the pistol for quicker follow up shots
- a lighter hammer spring brings down the effort required for my first DA press
- sights come factory the way i like em, high contrast fiber optic front, blacked out rear
- lower bore axis than the most common production pistols - quicker follow up shots for me
- reliable. period.

I notice the recoil to be extremely low. I attribute it to the fact that its a heavy gun, with low bore axis and ability to get a really high grip on the pistol.

i'm approaching 15,000 rounds through my shadow at this point and its holding up quite well...i know guys who put A LOT more than me!
 
I presume that English isn't you're native tongue. This (....and would start with standard side of it ?) completely baffles me :confused:.

You mention 1911, so I'm assuming you want to shoot standard and or classic.
In both, you can shoot 9mm, 40s&w or 45ACP. All have their own pros/cons. An AB IPSC member has commented that he's tried both minor and major in the classic div, and has concluded that major is the way to go (according to him) Not too sure what he shoots....believe it's 40s&w.

As for being a lefty, you can get ambi safeties for the 1911 platform, but I'm not too sure about flipping the mag release over. Others will have to chime in on this.

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lol no i am just so confused from talking to few IPSC Shooters today... Had no clue what prod, stand, open, all that were..
About half of the shooters tell me to pick up 1911 9MM and other half on 45Auto and few tells me they depend on Norinco and CZ..... Without giving me an any idea of what IPSC is all about......
Have done few research on this side of shooting but when i started to talking to others, they just confused me so much i am now brain dead...

I should simplify my questions by : What Brand of Pistol are known to last and wont break my bank?
What kind of sights are best for IPSC?

Currently Leaning to CZ in 9MM to start..
 
either buy a shadow (the base $750 model) or tanfoglio in 9mm for production or buy whatever 1911 floats your boat in 9mm (i shoot and recommend a sti spartan, cheap but surprisingly well fit and easy to get) shoot that for at least a year, maybe 2 then re-evaluate exactly what you want and buy a new gun accordingly. either gun has a 90% chance you will love it

basic shooting skills and match experience will effect your score more than major or minor or having the perfect gun will at this point.
 
buy whatever gun you like best and take the black badge course then decide from there what division you want to shoot (you will understand how this game works after the course)
 
Read >>here<< about IPSC

My cliff notes version:
Minimum caliber for all divisions is 9x19mm.
Production Division - supposed to be a level(ish) playing field. Limited tweaks to pistol. First pull must be double action and pistol must be on the approved list. Only minor power factor, so no advantage gained in shooting larger calibers.
Standard Division - Start going to town on the pistol. Some limitations. Must fit in measurement box with mag. Minor and major power factors come into play (scoring points)
Classic Division - 1911 type pistols. Must meet certain criteria (ie: no full length dust covers) Mag limitations for the different power factors. Must fit in box as well.
Open Division - or as I call it "The people with a s**t load of money division" Sky's the limit. Optical/red dot sights allowed, comps allowed, minimum bullet weight for major power factor.
Revolver Division - an odd duck of a division. 6 shots only.... can't think of anything else. I think I've seen a total of 7 different people shoot this division.

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(((Echo))) said:
Read >>here<< about IPSC

My cliff notes version:
Minimum caliber for all divisions is 9x19mm.
Production Division - supposed to be a level(ish) playing field. Limited tweaks to pistol. First pull must be double action and pistol must be on the approved list. Only minor power factor, so no advantage gained in shooting larger calibers.
Standard Division - Start going to town on the pistol. Some limitations. Must fit in measurement box with mag. Minor and major power factors come into play (scoring points)
Classic Division - 1911 type pistols. Must meet certain criteria (ie: no full length dust covers) Mag limitations for the different power factors. Must fit in box as well.
Open Division - or as I call it "The people with a s**t load of money division" Sky's the limit. Optical/red dot sights allowed, comps allowed, minimum bullet weight for major power factor.
Revolver Division - an odd duck of a division. 6 shots only.... can't think of anything else. I think I've seen a total of 7 different people shoot this division.

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Thank you for this info! cleared out my brain fart!
 
I don't like the CZ junk they put out. I have had 2 different ones. Didn;t like them. The controls are garbage. Try it out first.

I'd go with Glock. Or a S&W M&P over a cz easily.

I used a SIG 226 for some IPSC and loved it.
 
Ive only been shooting ipsc for a yr and I use glocks. The lack of an external safety is fast amd helps when you have to transition to weak hand. Not that ive done it in a match yet but some weak hand drills are required for your black badge.
 
kimmer82 said:
Thank you for this info! cleared out my brain fart!
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There is also a dedicated subforum on action shooting games, including IPSC. Lots of info located therein:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?82-Action-Shooting-Games


For Production (by far the most popular division), you can use any pistol that you like on the approved list (w ww.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php). Lots of people switch their gear setup after a while, don't stress about getting it exactly right the first time.

I'd suggest starting separate threads for each pistol you're looking for.
 
Right now I think Classic is probably the best division to start out in. Any 1911 will do as long as it doesn't have a rail. You can start out stock, like a STI Spartan and not spend a whole lot (retails under $800) shoot cheap 9mm, mags are relatively inexpensive, no DA trigger to deal with, trigger jobs can be done and go as light as you want, in fact any and all modifications can pretty much be done to it as you go along except for comps, optics, and thumb ledges. The STI comes with good adjustable sights too, but you can put any type of iron sight on you want, unlike production where you can't modify the gun to fit better sights.
And the best part is you don't have to spend a whole lot (unless you want to and then the sky is the limit) I've run a stock Kimber custom II with just a mag well and won matches and most of the guys I know who are winning in classic are running pretty basic guns.
Oh, and night sights are completely unnecessary, don't waste your money on them if its for an ipsc gun.
 
Kimmer, if you live in a city or even anywhere near a city with a commercial rental range then a good first step is to go and spend the money to try out as many different 9mm's as you can. And before you go do some viewing of videos on Youtube for "pistol grip technique" so you learn how to hold the guns and stand correctly.

There's really two major groups of semi auto pistols out there. The hammer fired guns and the striker fired guns. CZ's and 1911's are examples of hammer fired and Glock and M&P are examples of striker fired. The triggers for each feel quite different. So you simply need to get a chance to try some of each style. From there you get into the finer details such as all metal vs metal and plastic and single action only vs double/single.

Get a gun which you know you can get holsters and mags for easily. Otherwise it becomes a big needless hunt for the accessories.

You'll need to do a TON of practicing along the way. You don't need to practice much to start out or even to take the BB course. But you will go through a bucket load of ammo getting better what with practicing and matches. For that reason I'd suggest you stick to a 9mm. .45ammo get's expensive in a hurry unless you reload your own.

There are simply no bad guns if you stick with the major brands. Notice that I have avoided suggesting brands simply because as you say it ends up coming down to "buy this gun because it's what I have so it's good" sort of thing. But if you're taking a poll of the suggestions then chalk up another vote for the CZ line.
 
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Right now I think Classic is probably the best division to start out in. Any 1911 will do as long as it doesn't have a rail. You can start out stock, like a STI Spartan and not spend a whole lot (retails under $800) shoot cheap 9mm, mags are relatively inexpensive, no DA trigger to deal with, trigger jobs can be done and go as light as you want, in fact any and all modifications can pretty much be done to it as you go along except for comps, optics, and thumb ledges. The STI comes with good adjustable sights too, but you can put any type of iron sight on you want, unlike production where you can't modify the gun to fit better sights.
And the best part is you don't have to spend a whole lot (unless you want to and then the sky is the limit) I've run a stock Kimber custom II with just a mag well and won matches and most of the guys I know who are winning in classic are running pretty basic guns.
Oh, and night sights are completely unnecessary, don't waste your money on them if its for an ipsc gun.
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you could try google...for "what is IPSC",...Youtube has a lot of videos...go to IPSC.org....I believe they have a video. THe USPSA (US version of IPSC), has a few intro videos.
for 1911, I was really happy with my choice in getting an STI Lawman in .45acp. I was going to go for 9mm, or even .40 for ammo costs, but in my gut, I thought it was a bit pussified for going to a minor calibre in a major gun. Just did not feel right. FOr production, a CZ shadow, Glock, HK, sig, tanfoglio would all be good choices. I prefer the tanfoglio line, as that is all i use outside of classic division. I run tanfoglio's in production, standard, and open divisions.
 
maurice said:
for 1911, I was really happy with my choice in getting an STI Lawman in .45acp. I was going to go for 9mm, or even .40 for ammo costs, but in my gut, I thought it was a bit pussified for going to a minor calibre in a major gun. Just did not feel right
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Lol....well I can understand wanting to shoot a 1911 in .45, my Kimber is a .45, but the cost savings for shooting a 9mm or .40 is just one consideration for shooting minor. Another is the added capacity. Classic rules (for those that don't know) allow 10 rounds in the mag if you shoot minor but only 8 if you shoot major. So the game becomes do you want the extra points for shooting major or the time saved shooting minor. Some courses of fire, Anywhere there is 9 rounds from one position, severly handicap a major gun. A minor gun can carry on but a major gun will have to do a slide lock reload and depending on the layout possibly have to do a slide lock reload for every reload through a course of fire. 9 round short courses that start unloaded automatically drop anyone shooting a major gun by about 30% (or more) as they will have to reload in the middle of the string where a minor gun won't. Good courses of fire will eliminate this advantage but any stage where you see ports with 8, 8, 8, 8, will give the advantage to the minor gun.
 
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