Any Kettle Point hunters on here?

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I have a friend that wants to start hunting. He is native but was raised in the city. He had a question that has stumped me for god knows how long. Neither of us has any clue as to where "traditional hunting grounds" would be for him or how he should go about hunting this fall because he was too busy (coughlazycough) to get off his butt and take the course. I keep telling him to just wait and get his hunting license but he will not give this up. He hasn't had an answer from any government office that he has called or mailed and has no contact with anyone from his area.
I hope somebody out there has had some experience or knowledge in this. Any ideas on how to speed up government officials would be an asset as well!
thanks!
 
If he doesn't know enough about his own peoples history, treaties or rights to know where the traditional terrritory is, then perhaps he should buy a license. The last thing we need is another undisciplined native hunter out there making it hard for the rest of us that know why we hunt and fish the way we do and when the time is right to do so. He needs to talk with the elders to learn this stuff, whether they are from his band or another.

Recent Case Law makes the issue of defining your traditional territory less critical as permission can be granted by local Bands. I am from Six Nations but regularly hunt in Treaty 3 area with permission of the local First Nations. Again, I will leave it to him to research as he should know this stuff if he wants to practice his Aboriginal and Treaty rights. Just my 2 cents.
 
Kenny_G2 said:
The last thing we need is another undisciplined native hunter out there .
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Really?

Thanks for the response. But i don't know if you read the post too carefully. It is asking for helpful facts, not opinions. He has had no response from either the government or his band. That is why he asked me to make a post. They both give him the "Ask them" response that governments seem to hand out when they don't want to make a stand on anything.
He knows the information from the treaties such as asking permission to hunt in another area. That isn't the problem. As it stands with the information available there are questions that are left unanswered. I'm sure it's like that with a lot of things! He is not in contact with anyone from his band for a reason and it isn't going to change which is why the question was asked. If you didn't grow up with anybody that knew about your culture wouldn't you want to learn as much as you could?

He is getting his license. Unfortunately there are no courses in the area at the moment. He is new but not alone. EVERYBODY started out undisciplined including you. If information is shared (kinda what Gunnutz is about) everybody benefits so leaving it up to him isn't really helpful or in the spirit of things. I'm trying to help a friend who is eager about our chosen sport. We can't afford to dismiss anybody in this political climate! As responsible firearms owners we should all be advocates and share with the novices.

I'll stop there.... I can't even believe I bothered to ask for help with this.
 
OK, here are a few hints.

Hint 1 - MNR will not be able to help, they don't generally know where the boundaries are. The band is probably not inclined to help someone who is only a member via a status card with no association with the community, remember Band and Council are politicians so they help those that help them.

Hint 2 - Google should get him the info he needs, start with searching for his Bands treaties, there should be a few, then read them. They will tell him where the boundaries are. He may even learn something along the way about his history.

Hint 3 - Traditional territories are fluid and have changed over time so they need to be interpreted. You will not likely find a map saying here is the area. This is where the elders come in handy.
 
shortbus said:
I have a friend that wants to start hunting. He is native but was raised in the city. He had a question that has stumped me for god knows how long. Neither of us has any clue as to where "traditional hunting grounds" would be for him or how he should go about hunting this fall because he was too busy (coughlazycough) to get off his butt and take the course. I keep telling him to just wait and get his hunting license but he will not give this up. He hasn't had an answer from any government office that he has called or mailed and has no contact with anyone from his area.
I hope somebody out there has had some experience or knowledge in this. Any ideas on how to speed up government officials would be an asset as well!
thanks!
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The Kettle and Stoney Point First Nation is located on the shores of Lake Huron just north of Forest, Ontario. It now includes the former Ipperwash Provincial Park which was the traditional land of the Stoney Point band before WWII. They have also been occupying the Ipperwash army base since 1995. The army base was also Stoney Point territory but it was taken by the government to train soldiers during WWII and the Stoney Pointers had to go move in with their neighbours at Kettle Point. Talking about whose land is whose in that area is very touchy. I have friends there and I know that it is a very popular area for cottaging, camping and fishing. I have never encountered hunters in that area but they must be there. Pinery Provincial Park is just up the road and it is overflowing with deer. I believe that your friend needs to re-connect with his roots and spend some time on the First Nation. There are lots of good people there who would help him.
 
Thanks Southwest. I'll let him know that the park should be a starting point for questions. He plans on trying to make contact with someone from there as soon as he gets the courage. I have found a native family from the Thunder Bay region that is willing to take him on his first moose hunt this season! (While I am stuck in my office. Oh the irony!)
 
be careful if he plans on hunting near Pinery. That area has a lot of deer, but no place to really hunt. It is very easy to walk onto private property and not realize it. Most of the landowners will not give permission to hunt or cross their land.
 
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