Any new source of smokeless powder?

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Due to recent powder shortage, any body may ever thought of importing powders from other countries ? Such as Australia（ADI powder), Europe Union, China(I know it's headache if Norinco has to have a hand in there), and Russia (CanAMMO can get primer from them, why not powder? maybe still can have political loopholes?)

just sick and tired of waiting for Domestic powders, don't mention some powder rise over 40$ per LB. I paid 31 dollar for the same powder last year, what the heck!
 
I'm sure more than a few people have thought about it, but there's all sorts of hoops to jump through. Much of what we see on shelves now was ordered years ago, or stored in various warehouses for months on end. In other cases there are exclusive distribution rights already owned by someone else, and in other cases there are minimum order quantities.

Some companies are willing to do business with you...if you can maintain a minimum multimillion dollar order every year. Not every business has that kind of capital to float on a project that might get held at the border for months, or get undercut by a competitor and then you have to sell at a loss because they negotiated a lower cost than you did.

Look at what happened with the CZ-858s, got held at the border for months and Wolverine lost half a million dollars. Or the NRM AIA mags, or the TI SG540 and SG542s, they're still not here and competitors have been selling them like hotcakes. Sometimes the company can do everything right, and some other part of the chain bottlenecks the process and screws everyone, like the ATRS mags that should theoretically be here sometime before 2015...maybe.

From what I have seen, there is no powder shortage. Distribution is up, at least as much as normal is coming into the country, but it's all getting bought up. It's the guys who buy 20 pounds of Varget or whatever, or 10 crates of ammo, or 80% of a store's stock in one go.

Scuttlebutt says that WSS got in 15,000 pounds of powder, but divide that up among all the stores, then account for guys going in and clearing the shelf...poof, shortage.
 
I've more than once thought somebody should be tapping the Brazilian defence industry as a powder source. I've seen canister powders made in Canada (IMR), the US (Alliant and Winchester), Australia (Hodgdon), Israel (Accurate?), Finland (Vihtavhouri), Belgium and the Czech Republic (Ramshot?), but never south america. If the Brazilians will sell us primers (magtech), they should sell us powder.
 
The answer to retail price increases on powder is to buy a little more. Group buy with your friends if you have to.

My last search for a decent quantity of H4350 took a while, but I bought enough from Hummason's that my landed cost, after tax and shipping, was about $29 a pound; this was just a few months ago. Prior to that, an order from Higginson's was around $32 a pound all-in, for Varget and 4895. For each of these, I bought something around 2 years' worth of each.

There is still a definite shortage of certain powders at this time, but quantities seem to show up from time to time. Unfortunately, if you're not prepared to order enough when it comes, you'll continue to struggle.
 
wbaad said:
Anybody notice the made in canada on some of their powders??? It would be nice if they could keep it up here!
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They make it here, ship it to the states to package it in 1lb containers, add a stupid French label, then ship it back here and charge us for both shipping trips.
 
Silverado said:
The answer to retail price increases on powder is to buy a little more. Group buy with your friends if you have to.

My last search for a decent quantity of H4350 took a while, but I bought enough from Hummason's that my landed cost, after tax and shipping, was about $29 a pound; this was just a few months ago. Prior to that, an order from Higginson's was around $32 a pound all-in, for Varget and 4895. For each of these, I bought something around 2 years' worth of each.

There is still a definite shortage of certain powders at this time, but quantities seem to show up from time to time. Unfortunately, if you're not prepared to order enough when it comes, you'll continue to struggle.
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Yeah， we all need to stock up somehow, i'm just running extremely low on handgun powders. My hope is on gunshow now
 
Right on ! BattleRifle and B
But there is other issue, one of the local reloading expert mentioned me that unknown branded of powders or surplus powders are lacking for proper reloading data. You can only refers to the burning rate to find equivalent of known powder models, then try with that load, which can be extremely dangerous. And that's something he would not dare to try if just for a hobby.
I would have to worry about loading data too.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
They make it here, ship it to the states to package it in 1lb containers, add a stupid French label, then ship it back here and charge us for both shipping trips.
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Yeah, sounds stupid, but not the first time i heard or seen it. For example, there are lots of "Made in China" stuffs which i can never find in Chinese domestic retail market, from the shoes can fit my big fat feet to a simple high quality pizza cutter, Thanks to the globe economy.
 
Buying lots of powder is a great idea... The problem being that even higginsons and hummasons are sold out of all useful pistol powders. I have enough money set aside to buy powder for the next decade but that doesn't matter if no one has stock!
 
BattleRife said:
I've more than once thought somebody should be tapping the Brazilian defence industry as a powder source. I've seen canister powders made in Canada (IMR), the US (Alliant and Winchester), Australia (Hodgdon), Israel (Accurate?), Finland (Vihtavhouri), Belgium and the Czech Republic (Ramshot?), but never south america. If the Brazilians will sell us primers (magtech), they should sell us powder.
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Columbia supplies us with quite a bit of powder, ...........
 
B said:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1160881-Bulk-Powder?p=10771205#post10771205

This response is a bit encouraging.
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I would not buy Chinese gun powder. Chinese ammo is inconsistent enough. I'd not trust it to be consistent, fresh, or even LABELED properly. I'd rather go without.

That, of course, is different from hodgdon contracting with a foreign powder producer, making sure that it is made to their spec, and doing their own testing of the product before packaging and selling and staking their business reputation and good name on it.
 
Silverado said:
The answer to retail price increases on powder is to buy a little more. Group buy with your friends if you have to.
... Unfortunately, if you're not prepared to order enough when it comes, you'll continue to struggle.
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I think we are talking about different things. You are describing a strategy to get through the current tough times. To me, bringing in a new line of powders from an untapped source is a long term solution to the actual problem.


SouthWest Guy said:
But there is other issue, one of the local reloading expert mentioned me that unknown branded of powders or surplus powders are lacking for proper reloading data.
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See above. My comments weren't intended to be about a temporary stopgap of powders, I thought we were daydreaming about bringing in a new line of powders, where data would be developed and published and the powder would sit forever more among the established names were are familiar with.

But I must say I am a bit perplexed by the concept of a "reloading expert" who thinks it is dangerous to develop one's own loading data.

Chinbullco said:
Columbia supplies us with quite a bit of powder, ...........
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Oh? What brand and powder is made in Columbia? I am not familiar.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
They make it here, ship it to the states to package it in 1lb containers, add a stupid French label, then ship it back here and charge us for both shipping trips.
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I find this description misleading. Yes, the powder is made at the Expro plant in Salabery-de-Valleyfield, QC, but it is made under contract for and to the specification of a US company, Hodgdon. Of course the whole production lot is shipped down to Hodgdon so they can package and label it and enter it into their distribution channel under their "IMR" brand. Did you think they were going to set up a little independant packaging line and warehouse in Canada, that handles just enough powder for the Canadian market, all so it doesn't have to make the trip there and back? That would be pretty stupid.
 
BattleRife said:
I think we are talking about different things. You are describing a strategy to get through the current tough times. To me, bringing in a new line of powders from an untapped source is a long term solution to the actual problem.




See above. My comments weren't intended to be about a temporary stopgap of powders, I thought we were daydreaming about bringing in a new line of powders, where data would be developed and published and the powder would sit forever more among the established names were are familiar with.

But I must say I am a bit perplexed by the concept of a "reloading expert" who thinks it is dangerous to develop one's own loading data.




Oh? What brand and powder is made in Columbia? I am not familiar.
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Peruvian Marching Powder.
 
BattleRife said:
I think we are talking about different things. You are describing a strategy to get through the current tough times. To me, bringing in a new line of powders from an untapped source is a long term solution to the actual problem.
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Nothing wrong with opening new lines of supply, ever. I think the "actual problem", which is the panic buying from 2012 and it's residual effect, is solving itself.
 
BattleRife said:
But I must say I am a bit perplexed by the concept of a "reloading expert" who thinks it is dangerous to develop one's own loading data.
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X2

If you use recipes from a cook book, you're nothing but a cook, possibly a poor one at that. If you make up your own dishes, you're delving into chef territory.

If all you do if copy loads from a load book, you're a reloader and you're probably not producing the best loads possible for your rifle. You're most definitely not an expert reloader.
 
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