beretta boy
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Any Olympic trap shooters here ?
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beretta boy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Orillia, Ontario
The "computer" you spoke of, for the various number of shooters is more for the voice activation of the correct traps for the individual stations being shot ... so that targets are not thrown for stations not occupied. A full compliment in OT is 6 shooters, 5 on station and one returning to Station 1 behind the shooting line after having shot station 5.
If you'd stuck your head into an OT trench at T.I.T.S., you would have seen 15 traps, set in 5 groups of 3. Each of the 15 are individually adjusted to throw at different angles and heights, usually after every 100 targets.
The angles and heights are specified in a little ISSF handbook, and the formuale for the settings each time are drawn ... numbered "peas" in a little bottle ... so the settings are very random, but do follow a certain procedure.
IIRC, unlike the various ATA Traps, the OT Traps at T.I.T.S. are "Renzetti" traps ( from Italy) and are powered by compressed air, not electricity)
Did they not change to Laporte after they received funds for the pan American games ?
Do you know George Leary ? Any news about his recent tracks ? Do sort of lost track of each other somehow ...
Since we are on the same frequency what do think of the targets at tits. I know I know lots of politics but when the boys goes abroad they really get a shock when they throw regulation targets ...
For 4 seasons I trained monthly at Lonato and my goddess there is no mucking around there.
Anyway I have retired from competition after London so only memories now.
Do you know George Leary ? Any news about his recent tracks ? Do sort of lost track of each other somehow ...
Since we are on the same frequency what do think of the targets at tits. I know I know lots of politics but when the boys goes abroad they really get a shock when they throw regulation targets ...
For 4 seasons I trained monthly at Lonato and my goddess there is no mucking around there.
Anyway I have retired from competition after London so only memories now.
By the way
Don’t want to bore folks here
There are 9 schemes under ISSF ruling which dictates all target height and angles.
All targets have to reach 76 metres +/- 1 metre
If a range wants to host an international qualifying condition then it has to have 2 ranges with identical orientation
Each range will have to have 17 machines whereby 2 are spares.
BTW I have been visiting TITS as guest since 2000 so that’s 20 seasons, I have never seen them throw an ISSF scheme.
So if OLYMPIC shooter is reading this .....you know what needs to be done. Even for qualifying selection shoots. Enough said ..back to shooting
Don’t want to bore folks here
There are 9 schemes under ISSF ruling which dictates all target height and angles.
All targets have to reach 76 metres +/- 1 metre
If a range wants to host an international qualifying condition then it has to have 2 ranges with identical orientation
Each range will have to have 17 machines whereby 2 are spares.
BTW I have been visiting TITS as guest since 2000 so that’s 20 seasons, I have never seen them throw an ISSF scheme.
So if OLYMPIC shooter is reading this .....you know what needs to be done. Even for qualifying selection shoots. Enough said ..back to shooting
beretta boy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Orillia, Ontario
Yes, we have likely met somewhere down the line. Have known George Leary since he was 10 or 11. Learned how to shoot Skeet at his parents farm/Honey Locust Gun Club, where George lived, near Gormley, ON.
Last I knew, around 2000, George was working for a computer tech firm out of Newmarket, ON, where he was living with his own family.
I was pretty certain T.I.T.S. had two ISSF set-ups for the Pan Am Games and they may well have brought in Laport traps for the event. The last I shot International there was probably 1998+/-, and was in the old trench setting the 15 traps for angle and distance with Paul Shaw. I'm guessing interest faded sometime after that and the trench fell into disuse. Much the same transpired with their Sporting Clays set-up. Last I saw was that their big tower, down by the pond, had been converted to a 5-Stand set-up. (Lack of member interest to run the facilities)
Last I knew, around 2000, George was working for a computer tech firm out of Newmarket, ON, where he was living with his own family.
I was pretty certain T.I.T.S. had two ISSF set-ups for the Pan Am Games and they may well have brought in Laport traps for the event. The last I shot International there was probably 1998+/-, and was in the old trench setting the 15 traps for angle and distance with Paul Shaw. I'm guessing interest faded sometime after that and the trench fell into disuse. Much the same transpired with their Sporting Clays set-up. Last I saw was that their big tower, down by the pond, had been converted to a 5-Stand set-up. (Lack of member interest to run the facilities)
Seems like we should meet up for a cup of coffee after this “viral shenanigan”.please keep in touch. I last saw Paul and his son at the Munich world championship. I am now retired living in Ontario. I sense between the 2 of us we probably have many decades to contribute to new blood who might be interested to train in Olympic trap.
For all you young trap shooters out there, I was very fortunate enough to train with Rudy Vigano some years ago and he said this to me and I will never forget it.
‘I cannot teach you how to hit every target however I can teach you how not to miss.” I sense beretta boy knows exactly what I mean by that.
‘I cannot teach you how to hit every target however I can teach you how not to miss.” I sense beretta boy knows exactly what I mean by that.
Please don’t give up. You need a little time with somebody with experience and you will be fine.
We are our worse enemies when it comes to shooting trap. It’s a mind game and you are discouraged because you have expectations.
For any trap shooting that’s a number one no no. No expectations. Please go back and ask somebody with more experience and give it another go.
We are our worse enemies when it comes to shooting trap. It’s a mind game and you are discouraged because you have expectations.
For any trap shooting that’s a number one no no. No expectations. Please go back and ask somebody with more experience and give it another go.
Thanks for the encouragement Ghubert. It's not really just the Olympic trap. I'd like to improve at something and I really enjoy Sporting clays. Going to spend my muscle memory - target database - and enjoyable range time on that. Many games is probably good for the community. Skeet - Olympic Skeet. All the variations of trap. Sporting Clays. FITASC. AFS. 5 stand....
For my part, I love Sporting Clays and I haven't found anything else calling to me. ....except my wife - calling me now. Gotta go.
For my part, I love Sporting Clays and I haven't found anything else calling to me. ....except my wife - calling me now. Gotta go.
Rob
You have mentioned so many disciplines there and they are different.
I see you are in Alberta so your choice of coaches are limited and that’s also includes where you can shoot.
If you put any weight to an old boy like me have to say get a FITTED gun.
It may cost so little but it really comes down to that.
Forget a semi auto - I know how difficult that is in North America
Get a cheap over and under Is possible with an old adjustable stock.
If I am in Europe I would consider a miroku or an old beretta 68x series
Do not go an attempt to shoot something like Olympic trap or Olympic skeet
Best one is “down the line” - google it or even a simple clay machine
The purpose is get that piece of wood to fit you under stress.
Now think about it - under stress
What am I talking about
When you are shooting leisurely and in competition , your muscle tension are different and that affects everything
I don’t know Alberta but there must be somebody in Canada who can fit an adjustable comb for your shotgun
This process will take about a season
Only then you are ready to go and hit clays
Let me know if this is helpful
If too much detail then I will stop boring you folks here
But I am happy to share my experience
Once you have your measurements then order your dream gun and get the stock made to those dimensions.
You have mentioned so many disciplines there and they are different.
I see you are in Alberta so your choice of coaches are limited and that’s also includes where you can shoot.
If you put any weight to an old boy like me have to say get a FITTED gun.
It may cost so little but it really comes down to that.
Forget a semi auto - I know how difficult that is in North America
Get a cheap over and under Is possible with an old adjustable stock.
If I am in Europe I would consider a miroku or an old beretta 68x series
Do not go an attempt to shoot something like Olympic trap or Olympic skeet
Best one is “down the line” - google it or even a simple clay machine
The purpose is get that piece of wood to fit you under stress.
Now think about it - under stress
What am I talking about
When you are shooting leisurely and in competition , your muscle tension are different and that affects everything
I don’t know Alberta but there must be somebody in Canada who can fit an adjustable comb for your shotgun
This process will take about a season
Only then you are ready to go and hit clays
Let me know if this is helpful
If too much detail then I will stop boring you folks here
But I am happy to share my experience
Once you have your measurements then order your dream gun and get the stock made to those dimensions.
Feedback is greatly appreciated
So just to clear up some misconceptions, Alberta has at least 1/2 dozen NSCA registered clubs and my home club - Silver Willow - is arguably Canada's premier sporting clays club. It's also home to more certified instructors than any club in the country and Canada's only level 3 NSCA instructor. Opportunities for shooting and training abound.[/QUOTE]
I put weight in input by anyone regardless of demographics. Getting a little long in the tooth myself. I'm not sure the North American sporting clays world agrees with your advice on semi auto (lots of champions using them at all levels), but for the most part, I also choose O/U.
40 years ago, I shot trap for a few years - using a Mossberg 500. These days, my cheap O/U include a Blaser F3 and a Beretta 687 EELL Diamond Pigeon in 28 ga. For balance, I also have an SX3 that I use as a backup and that old Mossberg for nostalgia.
Excellent advice about muscle tension. The F3 has adjustable comb and butt pad, but my interest is more leaning toward custom fitted and built stock. Trying to set up something with Jim Greenwood when this virus nonsense is under control.
Not boring at all. Keep it coming!
So just to clear up some misconceptions, Alberta has at least 1/2 dozen NSCA registered clubs and my home club - Silver Willow - is arguably Canada's premier sporting clays club. It's also home to more certified instructors than any club in the country and Canada's only level 3 NSCA instructor. Opportunities for shooting and training abound.[/QUOTE]
I put weight in input by anyone regardless of demographics. Getting a little long in the tooth myself. I'm not sure the North American sporting clays world agrees with your advice on semi auto (lots of champions using them at all levels), but for the most part, I also choose O/U.
40 years ago, I shot trap for a few years - using a Mossberg 500. These days, my cheap O/U include a Blaser F3 and a Beretta 687 EELL Diamond Pigeon in 28 ga. For balance, I also have an SX3 that I use as a backup and that old Mossberg for nostalgia.
Excellent advice about muscle tension. The F3 has adjustable comb and butt pad, but my interest is more leaning toward custom fitted and built stock. Trying to set up something with Jim Greenwood when this virus nonsense is under control.
Not boring at all. Keep it coming!
Robi
So you are shooting a F3 with adjustable stock, correct ?
Good that’s a good starting point
I would not cross trap and sporting
Stock requirements are entirely different. Fundimentally different either you set it up for trap or for sporting.
Do you like motor racing ?
Like driving a car with downforce and one without
All you need is a good coach to fit it for you.
Now this is the next crucial step
You have to trust your coach and never tinker it yourself.
I mean never in bold.
As I said this will take a season and we will talk after that
I am sorry but I am ignorant about shooting facilities in Alberta.
Another bit of advice and I hope beretta boy will chime in here
Ignore all these certificates and qualification of coaches
You will know a good coach when you are on the same frequency for a start
A good coach does not mean he or she is a good shooter
A good shooter does not mean he or her is a good coach
When you get a fitted shotgun, it’s an eureka moment
Funny I have never met any shooter using a semi auto at Olympic or world championship level.
Perhaps it’s my eyesight deteriorating
So you are shooting a F3 with adjustable stock, correct ?
Good that’s a good starting point
I would not cross trap and sporting
Stock requirements are entirely different. Fundimentally different either you set it up for trap or for sporting.
Do you like motor racing ?
Like driving a car with downforce and one without
All you need is a good coach to fit it for you.
Now this is the next crucial step
You have to trust your coach and never tinker it yourself.
I mean never in bold.
As I said this will take a season and we will talk after that
I am sorry but I am ignorant about shooting facilities in Alberta.
Another bit of advice and I hope beretta boy will chime in here
Ignore all these certificates and qualification of coaches
You will know a good coach when you are on the same frequency for a start
A good coach does not mean he or she is a good shooter
A good shooter does not mean he or her is a good coach
When you get a fitted shotgun, it’s an eureka moment
Funny I have never met any shooter using a semi auto at Olympic or world championship level.
Perhaps it’s my eyesight deteriorating
I read your post again
If you need a fitted stock then please PM and I will give you a few stock maker however they are all in either Italy or Portugal.
If I can paint you a picture
My stock maker is in val trompia in Italy - google that
He makes stocks for over 40 national teams. Yes 40 +
You arrive at 8am sharp and you will have 1st fitting at around lunch time
Second fitting at around 5pm
He finish work at 7pm and you will pick up a 90% finished stock
If you come in the summer you can fit in 2 rounds before dinner
Total cost under 800 euros including basic wood and labour and cash .....
If you shoot trap - I can tell you your national hero Susan goes there
If you shoot skeet - I have met Hancock there
If you shoot sporting - I have been there with Digweed
Get the picture ?
Return flight Toronto to Bergamo via London max 1000 dollars
Just like what Boris is saying to Barnier - ball is in your court
If you need a fitted stock then please PM and I will give you a few stock maker however they are all in either Italy or Portugal.
If I can paint you a picture
My stock maker is in val trompia in Italy - google that
He makes stocks for over 40 national teams. Yes 40 +
You arrive at 8am sharp and you will have 1st fitting at around lunch time
Second fitting at around 5pm
He finish work at 7pm and you will pick up a 90% finished stock
If you come in the summer you can fit in 2 rounds before dinner
Total cost under 800 euros including basic wood and labour and cash .....
If you shoot trap - I can tell you your national hero Susan goes there
If you shoot skeet - I have met Hancock there
If you shoot sporting - I have been there with Digweed
Get the picture ?
Return flight Toronto to Bergamo via London max 1000 dollars
Just like what Boris is saying to Barnier - ball is in your court
I used to love watching Olympic Trap at the former Strathcona Range. Olympic Skeet was also something else.
The clay targets are something else as well.
I recall Remington making 1 1/4 ounce Olympic Trap Loads in the early 70's...not so any longer.
The cost of shooting Olympic style is very high as well. I recall a small local shot shell factory in Edmonton that used to punch out Olympic quality reloads for special customers. The gentleman owner had quite the little operation until he unfortunately closed. He also had fantastic components for a Ponsness person.
As for dear Susan. I was a 15 year old boy when I first met Susan whilst working at a gun store. What a wonderful lady. I like Susan more than Nancy Greene Raine when it comes to Olympic champions. I have met them both.
Does anyone know where all the Olympic trap and skeet shooting systems from the Strathcona Range ended up? I believe they were the property of the City of Edmonton.
To whom was all that public property sold to?
I have heard numerous rumours over the years.
Does anyone actually know what happened regarding the disposal of these public assets?
And yes Nancy Green is an Olympic Alpine ski racer. I know that. Thank you.
The clay targets are something else as well.
I recall Remington making 1 1/4 ounce Olympic Trap Loads in the early 70's...not so any longer.
The cost of shooting Olympic style is very high as well. I recall a small local shot shell factory in Edmonton that used to punch out Olympic quality reloads for special customers. The gentleman owner had quite the little operation until he unfortunately closed. He also had fantastic components for a Ponsness person.
As for dear Susan. I was a 15 year old boy when I first met Susan whilst working at a gun store. What a wonderful lady. I like Susan more than Nancy Greene Raine when it comes to Olympic champions. I have met them both.
Does anyone know where all the Olympic trap and skeet shooting systems from the Strathcona Range ended up? I believe they were the property of the City of Edmonton.
To whom was all that public property sold to?
I have heard numerous rumours over the years.
Does anyone actually know what happened regarding the disposal of these public assets?
And yes Nancy Green is an Olympic Alpine ski racer. I know that. Thank you.
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Oh, now that is intriguing. Haven't been across the pond in some 65 years and never to Italy. Having said that, Italy is not somewhere I'd want to go for some time yet. (USA not much better though). The guy I'm hoping for (Google Greenwood Stocks) has quite a few high end clients, including some guy named Anthony Matarese.
I've bumped into several well meaning individuals who clearly do have some knowledge of fitting - or making - but I'd like to have confidence in this. Springtime at least before I go there.
Are you in the UK? Been a great pleasure chatting with you.
I have worked and lived in Europe for many years now retired in Ontario
Of course I don’t mean now but I know folks are charging 2000 - 3000 cad here to make a stock and it’s takes months. The direction I am you towards cost less, you can have a pleasant trip and also you get to shoot some true 76 metre targets .... problem is always what do you do with the wife ....
Yes please talking to you as well. Hope everything I said makes sense. Good shooting.
By the way you know when you order a custom upgrade stock from BLASER factory directly, they are all made in Italy and not Germany. I can send you there as well.
Of course I don’t mean now but I know folks are charging 2000 - 3000 cad here to make a stock and it’s takes months. The direction I am you towards cost less, you can have a pleasant trip and also you get to shoot some true 76 metre targets .... problem is always what do you do with the wife ....
Yes please talking to you as well. Hope everything I said makes sense. Good shooting.
By the way you know when you order a custom upgrade stock from BLASER factory directly, they are all made in Italy and not Germany. I can send you there as well.
