Any problems with Hornady SST bullets fragmenting at under 150 yards?

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I'd like to hunt this year for mules and white tails with some self-reloaded Hornady 165gr SSTs in 3006 and a friend of mine just mentioned last night that he's seen them fragment somewhat often in deer at under 150 yards, spoiling more meat than you'd typically expect.

Other than the obvious of a shoulder bone, has anyone had this happen with any consistency? Or is this a one off comment?

(Pardon the repost from the hunting forum, but I this might be a better place for an answer)

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From what I have read, you either love them or you hate them. For every person that says they have had no fragmentation, you have another say they have.

I am using them in my 30-06 and will decide by my own experience.

Fragmentation or not the animals end up dead.
 
All the lead and copper bullets fragment even the bonded ones will fragment to some degree.

All bullets will spoil meat to some degree as well.


The 165SST out of your 30-06 may be a little worse than some other bullets at fragmentation. The wound channel and effected area (blood shot meat) will be larger than some other bullets as well. SST stands for Super Shock Tip and they do exactly what the name suggests.
 
I used them for one season and then went to a premium bullet.

The deer died? Absolutely.

One shot was a heart shot about 200-225 yard, the other a running shot on a doe about 130-150 , lung shot.

The heart shot buck, typical bullet fragmentation and expansion.

The doe was a lung shot, she dropped on the spot and dug a trench about 30ft long.The reason, bullet fragments made it up to the spine and into the back loins.

This was not at lighting muzzle speeds either , 7-08 with 139SSt at 2860 ft/sec out of the end.

I have since switched to a premium bullet for all game getting.

Some complain about price, well to pull that trigger with a premium vs a cup and core bullet is about $0.15 to $0.30 difference, let's say 5 game animals per year which is high on average that would be a maximum of $1.50 to use premium bullets for hunting season.What is a double double worth? ;)
 
I have used SST's in a couple 6.5x55's and my Garand (30-06) with good results on deer. Both calibers are moderate velocity, less than 2800fps in the Swede and ~2600fps in the Garand. They do seem to be fairly lightly constructed and tend to open fast at closer ranges, though I have never lost an animal due to lack of penetration. On light game like deer they are fine for me, but I wouldn't use one on moose or elk just to be on the safe side.


Mark
 
All the lead and copper bullets fragment even the bonded ones will fragment to some degree.

All bullets will spoil meat to some degree as well.

This!!!


Cup and core bullets typically fragment more than bonded but as stated above, all jacketed bullets will to some degree. If you are truly concerned about fragmentation and meat wastage, mono metals are your best choice.
 
You have to ask yourself a question first.

Where do you shoot your animal?????

Do you aim for the chest cavity??? Best.

Do you aim for the neck??? Risky

Do you aim for the should joint??? Risky and destructive of meat.


Back in the day, many hunters tried to break the near shoulder. It was ok but it wasted a lot of meat and often ended up with a lost, wounded animal. Especially with inexperienced hunters. Often, the bullets available weren't up to the task. So, the manufacturers started making bonded and later solid copper bullets. They usually do a very good job of breaking big and small bones and penetrating well. Some people complain they penetrate to well, especially when taking chest cavity shots.

You need to analyze your targeting of an animal.

I've used the whole gamut of available factory bullets and even got into swaging my own (briefly)

When the SST Interlock bullets became available, I was skeptical to say the least. There had been several attempts by other companies to make similar bullets but IMHO, none were satisfactory.

I had been using Hornady Interlock bullets for years, almost exclusively for hunting everything bigger than coyotes. They did everything they were advertised to do. The only complaint I had with them was that they weren't as accurate as I would have liked. Don't get me wrong, they were plenty accurate enough for big game hunting. Problem was in my head. I had been bitten by the accuracy bug when I got into Hunter Bench Rest shooting and became more than a little anal about acceptable accuracy.

My first use of the SST ILs was on coyotes. I used a 6.5x55 with 139 grain bullets. At 25m, they worked perfectly. They weren't explosive at all.

OK, time to try it out on deer. The first deer I shot, was a spike buck White Tail at around 40m. The bullet penetrated a rib on entry, went through both lungs and exited through a rib on the far side. The only wound visible was the exit wound. It was about 2cm across. The animal stumbled for about 10m and dropped.

The next deer was a mule deer doe, limited entry animal. The shot was from a blind and was close to 200m, in a hay field. It was windy but not windy enough to drift the bullet a foot. I made a bad shot and hit her in the near shoulder. It was dead on, no angle. The bullet, broke the shoulder and penetrated through to the next shoulder. All that was left of the bullet, was the cup, with a little bit of lead still in the base. The rest, was spread around the area, like shrapnel. Some fragments had cut the carotid arteries and the animal didn't go far. It dropped instantly and started to push itself with its hind legs for 20 or so meters before stopping.

Since then, I've used those same weight and style bullets on moose, bears, deer, elk and coyotes without an animal lost. The only bullet I ever recovered was in the mule deer doe. All the rest penetrated all the way through and kept on going.

My experience with 7mm SST ILs was a bit different. The 139 grain bullets were very frangible. They did the job but made a mess. I switched to 162 grain SST ILs and the problem was solved.

One caveat here, I don't have magnumitis.

If you like magnums, that's fine with me. I am recoil shy and choose not to use them.

IMHO, the SST ILs were not made for magnum velocities. Many use them in their magnums and love them though. IMHO, I believe much of the difference in opinions on the performance of the SST ILs comes from their use in magnum cartridges at much higher velocities than they were intended to perform at. That would make them fine for ranges over 200 yards but close up and personal is a different story.
 
150gr SST in 30-06 explode like a grenade for me when hitting bone under 100yds. Penetration for big bears, moose, elk makes me use GMX's for that.
 
150gr SST in 30-06 explode like a grenade for me when hitting bone under 100yds. Penetration for big bears, moose, elk makes me use GMX's for that.

You're probably right on that. I found with the 6.5 the 140 grain was heavy enough not to do that. The 7-08, required a heavier bullet than the standard 140 gr offerings I now use 162 grain SST ILs. For the 308 and 30-06, I am loading the 162 SST IL.

It makes sense, the lighter bullets aren't constructed to hold together on big bones. That's why I mentioned before, where do you place your bullets??

On one bear, last spring, I put a 140 grain 6,5 SST IL through the front shoulder joint. It broke the shoulder, angled out the other side and missed the other joint. There was nothing to recover but there were bits and pieces in the chest cavity.

You made a relevant point and I agree with why you weren't happy with the 150 grain bullets. Like I said before, they are better with heavier weights.

The great thing about them, is that they are wonderfully accurate and do the job they were intended for.
 
I stopped using them due to explosive results. They acted like a varmint bullet at least 50% of the time for me. The last deer I shot with an SST was at 140 yards from my 270, perfect shot broadside, should have clipped the heart, no exit wound and only found the odd tiny piece of jacket when trying to find what was left of the bullet.

My rifle range is right out my back door, the deer was less than 30 feet in front of the 150 yard marker, so I know my range estimate is accurate within a yard or two.
 
My 270 shoots them good, however I lost one from a 200 yard shot that knocked the buck over and down a 20 ft hill. It walked away on me and I lost it. I now use them for yotes, paper. I use the Interbonds for deer now and they shoot great as well, and did not explode on a yote at 40 yards.
 
Shoot em in the boiler room not really any meat there. They will explode though. No need to look far for the animal as if you make a good boiler room shot it aint join far. Do not shoot for the shoulder as they kist blow up on contact. If you want to shoulder shoot use an interbond or gmx.
 
My only experience with the SST is the 250gr 45/sabot. With a 150gr charge it was accurate, fast. I recovered copper cups from my game. Yes they fragmented, blew apart and left lead fragments throughout the wound channel but they did kill. So the answer for me would be yes they fragment under 150 yards.
 
shot a nice buck last year with 150gr SST's in 30-06. These were reloads, very light load. Would have to dig up the actual load data.

Nice shot, iron sights at 75 yards. Went through shoulder, one lunch, heart. Missed the second lung and foudn the bullet in tact stuck in the opposite rib cage.

I will be hunting with them again this year, but ill be using 129gr SST's in a 6.5x55.
 
Never had this problem back in the Dominion /CIL days with their bullets.The Hornady interlocks are not the reliable bullets they once were in the 80's either.I pretty much use Partitions,Swift or Barnes TSX these days.Lung or neck shooting deer tells you zero about bullet performance.
 
shot a nice buck last year with 150gr SST's in 30-06. These were reloads, very light load. Would have to dig up the actual load data.

Nice shot, iron sights at 75 yards. Went through shoulder, one lunch, heart. Missed the second lung and foudn the bullet in tact stuck in the opposite rib cage.

I will be hunting with them again this year, but ill be using 129gr SST's in a 6.5x55.

It probably worked ok due to the light load you were using.
 
My only experience with the SST is the 250gr 45/sabot. With a 150gr charge it was accurate, fast. I recovered copper cups from my game. Yes they fragmented, blew apart and left lead fragments throughout the wound channel but they did kill. So the answer for me would be yes they fragment under 150 yards.

I agree with your post, although not with game. Shooting at a 18" steel at 300 yards. AR500 gong, SST's blew into many small bits, the Barnes however, some were recovered and had only dropped 5 grains and were flat as a pancake.
 
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