Any real difference for a 30-30 hornady leverevolution vs standard rounds at 100yrds

sir_springer said:
But you know how it goes, eh? You poke your head out onto a clearing, and there's that bad boy 5 point 225 yards away, entirely focused on finding his next girlfriend of the season. Do you want that old blunt nose round with about the same BC as a fence post in the chamber? Or a LeverEvolution 140 gr Monoflex (GMX) with a BC of .277 that shoots about 6" low at 250 yards?

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-30-Win-140-gr-monoflex-Leverevolution/

You know?

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I didn't realize that they made a mono metal for the 30-30, sounds interesting. I would like to give them a try.
 
I have used Leverevolution factory ammo and it certainly works as advertised. But as a handloader what has got me most excited is the LVR powder this stuff really is an advance for the old 30-30. I have so far loaded both 150 Win PP and 170 nosler partitions. I really am getting it all, excellent accuracy in my marlin 1" to 1.5" groups repeatedly, as well as excellent velocity AND still low pressures. I am looking forward to trying out some more loads with this stuff both lighter 125-130gr bullets as well as some heavier 190 gr cast bullets to really see what the old 30-30 can do. This powder really does live up to all its advertising which is rare these days. Anybody who is a fan of the 30-30 really ought to give this stuff a try, you won't regret it!! Spend an evening researching on the net 30-30+Lvr hand loads, there is a lot of interesting info out already on the Internet. Just use your common sense as always.
 
Coolhand_Luke said:
I have used Leverevolution factory ammo and it certainly works as advertised. But as a handloader what has got me most excited is the LVR powder this stuff really is an advance for the old 30-30. I have so far loaded both 150 Win PP and 170 nosler partitions. I really am getting it all, excellent accuracy in my marlin 1" to 1.5" groups repeatedly, as well as excellent velocity AND still low pressures. I am looking forward to trying out some more loads with this stuff both lighter 125-130gr bullets as well as some heavier 190 gr cast bullets to really see what the old 30-30 can do. This powder really does live up to all its advertising which is rare these days. Anybody who is a fan of the 30-30 really ought to give this stuff a try, you won't regret it!! Spend an evening researching on the net 30-30+Lvr hand loads, there is a lot of interesting info out already on the Internet. Just use your common sense as always.
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Interesting stuff Luke, it seems this powder is not that sensitive to reduced barrel length either. When I first looked at hornady's velocity claims and saw the 24" test barrel I said okay sure, powder optimized for a 24" 30/30 tube would probably suck in 16.25 -18.5" carbines like I've used. I started a little research and saw such good velocity claims with short barrels with minimal loss per inch, I bought a 16.25" Marlin to try with the leverevolution. May chronograph was written off doing AR15 testing, so I have no way to test what the 160FTX are doing in the short barrel. Keep us posted on your velocity results. The accuracy is acceptable, though not quite as good as old WinchesterPP's, then again they've had a lot of years to get the right load for accuracy in the 30/30 albeit with a velocity penalty.
 
RemembertheSomme,

If your gun likes the Win 150 grain PP, try looking around for it as a component. If you can't find it locally No-Sale sports has it in stock and they have sale on right now 10% off reloading stuff! I haven't yet had a chance to chrono my pet handload with the Win PP (because i dont have a chronograph... i know, i know!) but shooting it against the same in factory loads, my best load with the LVR powder was shooting noticeably flatter. I need to take it out farther to about 250 yards to see better but if chrono info published on the Internet with this same load/components is any guide I am getting at least a true 2400 fps out of 20" barrel and it could be better. But I need to chrono my own rifle to check for sure. The LVR powder also seems to tighten up groups around near or at max load but with no to very slight compression. I ran a couple of boxes from 34 gr up to 40.5gr (no compression yet but caution!!! over book max) with zero pressure signs or problems. The accuracy continued to improve up to the top loads, with the 39.5gr settling in with beautiful 4 shot groups of just over 1" (with 4x scope and bipod at 100m). I have tested that load again in the same cases and while I am continuing to observe the cases carefully, I am on the 3rd reload now with no signs of problems. If you look around, there is an archived thread on the castboolits forum. A gentleman by the name of Larry Gibson did some pretty extensive chronograph in and pressure testing of LVR powder with both jacket and cast bullets. Very interesting data he got and all good! He really showed what this powder can do in a 30-30 and like cartridges.
 
One slight correction to my post. With the Winchester 150 gr PP in Winchester once fired cases I only achieved very light compression at 40.5 gr of LVR powder. Hodgdon data shows compession at 38.5gr with 150gr bullet but I don't know what cases they used to achieve that. I tried both federal and Remington cases as well and the federal got to 39.5gr and the rem to 40.5gr capacity with LVR. Take it for what it's worth...
 
RememberTheSomme said:
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Well,..now I'm thinking the LVR ammo has put some zip into the old WCF, so I got myself a new Marlin carbine, a 336Y this time. Topped it with a lightweight 2X-7X x 32 scope and am looking forward to smacking one of those FTX's into a big buck this fall.

I got the Marlin in .30/30 for two reasons.

One,...to try out and prove or disprove the LVR ammo and Two,....I need to get back into my old days of still hunting large sections of forest that are never darkened anymore by anybody. People do not still hunt anymore. It's either driving, aTV'ing or blinds /treestands. All will get a Deer for sure, however I need the conditioning from walking after surviving my first heart attack.
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I literally just put together the same setup, last season was my first one hunting, hauling around a 9.5lb setup for still hunting was less than ideal.
I'm curious if the faster twist rates in the 336y will effect what bullets it likes
 
From everything I've read, relatively fast for caliber/bullet weight twist rates...aside from explosive varmint rounds that can fly apart...are very rarely a problem. Rates too slow are another matter entirely.
 
stevo911_ said:
I literally just put together the same setup, last season was my first one hunting, hauling around a 9.5lb setup for still hunting was less than ideal.
I'm curious if the faster twist rates in the 336y will effect what bullets it likes
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Stevo I don't believe it will affect our 16.25" barrels too much. The LVR 160 FTX loads should be going down the tube at 20" barrel 170 gr loads velocities or better, and those slower(2000fps MV) 170 grainers do fine in 1/10 twists, so enough rpm for their lengths.

My old 336TS with 18.5 inch microgroove barrel was deadly accurate with the old Imperial 170 KKSP's even and I know in that carbine barrel with that round not hot enough to stretch the case head squarely against the bolt face(backed out primers too light a load) they stabilized okay. I didn't have a chrony in those days, but I was guessing they were doing maybe 1900fps at the muzzle.
If the most accurate factory load interests you irregardless of velocities, those W-W 150PP seem GTG in the 336Y. I think Winchester knows how to load for the old .30/30 by now lol;)
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Stevo I don't believe it will affect our 16.25" barrels too much. The LVR 160 FTX loads should be going down the tube at 20" barrel 170 gr loads velocities or better, and those slower(2000fps MV) 170 grainers do fine in 1/10 twists, so enough rpm for their lengths.

My old 336TS with 18.5 inch microgroove barrel was deadly accurate with the old Imperial 170 KKSP's even and I know in that carbine barrel with that round not hot enough to stretch the case head squarely against the bolt face(backed out primers too light a load) they stabilized okay. I didn't have a chrony in those days, but I was guessing they were doing maybe 1900fps at the muzzle.
If the most accurate factory load interests you irregardless of velocities, those W-W 150PP seem GTG in the 336Y. I think Winchester knows how to load for the old .30/30 by now lol;)
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Cool, I'll check that out. I'm hunting inside 50 yds most of the time (dense west coast bush,) so I don't think velocity is all that important.
 
i feel so silly.
i remember when these came out and i saw them in the store and the sales guy told me they where good because of the tube feed and having the soft tip pointing into the next rounds primer.
totally sold me on them, bought a couple boxes right there.

i had no idea that the bullets had 40% increase in energy.

the range dosnt mean much to me, i shoot my lever naked - no optics so i dont chuck them far.
 
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