Any thoughts on the new model Savage rifle with the Accu-stock?
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I can't see it being a problem either, no more then rust forming on a blued barrel. Yes it's stainless, but it still needs maintanence. Thanks Gitrdun, but I'm not really interested in the WSM's. I had one in .300 and it was just never quite right. I am however looking at a couple different rifles right now, and the plain old .270 Winchester is on top of the list.
Mystic Precision
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Answering the orig post
Barrel nut - prettier, not as easy to swap barrels
Bolt release - new location is quite pleasant to use.
Cocking indicator - due to replacing the old design, looks contemporary. Limits the options to improve the bolt lift (bolt timing)
Accustock - great idea in concept but not so good in practise. I would still recommend the action be properly bedded. The wedge doesn't provide a large enough purchase on the recoil lug and it will move. The contact between the stock and action can be best described as razor thin. There is very little to no support in the rear of the action - lots of space between the bedding and the action.
Unfortunately, it has the typical contact or lack thereof common to other Alum chassis stocks. yes it will work but it will not be a solid set up for long.
Don't believe me. After shooting a bit, take the action and stock apart and look at the wear marks. If anything like what I have seen, there might even be some greyish dust from the bluing and alum wearing due to high frequency vibrations (common with all other alum chassis stocks that are not properly bedded). There will be wearing on the recoil lug too from the wedge slipping.
Makes the forend end WAAAAYYY stiffer but it ends at the front of the trigger guard so the weakest spot on any stock (wrist area) is no stronger then it was before. If the chassis was extended behind this grip area, there would be tremendous benefit.
Overall, the changes are trying to make the rifle more mainstream and upscale. Unfortunately, they are reducing some of the features that make Savages so unique and in my opinion, excellent.
The center feed mag is great and built like a tank. Try finding that on any other domestically made rifle for less then $1000.
The bolt lift out of the box definitely could use some TLC. That is why I do the bolt timing service. Makes a huge difference in the function and feel of cycling the bolt.
Otherwise, it is a far cry better then other US manf rifles.
A great rifle that will shoot very well indeed....with a bit of tuning.
Jerry
Barrel nut - prettier, not as easy to swap barrels
Bolt release - new location is quite pleasant to use.
Cocking indicator - due to replacing the old design, looks contemporary. Limits the options to improve the bolt lift (bolt timing)
Accustock - great idea in concept but not so good in practise. I would still recommend the action be properly bedded. The wedge doesn't provide a large enough purchase on the recoil lug and it will move. The contact between the stock and action can be best described as razor thin. There is very little to no support in the rear of the action - lots of space between the bedding and the action.
Unfortunately, it has the typical contact or lack thereof common to other Alum chassis stocks. yes it will work but it will not be a solid set up for long.
Don't believe me. After shooting a bit, take the action and stock apart and look at the wear marks. If anything like what I have seen, there might even be some greyish dust from the bluing and alum wearing due to high frequency vibrations (common with all other alum chassis stocks that are not properly bedded). There will be wearing on the recoil lug too from the wedge slipping.
Makes the forend end WAAAAYYY stiffer but it ends at the front of the trigger guard so the weakest spot on any stock (wrist area) is no stronger then it was before. If the chassis was extended behind this grip area, there would be tremendous benefit.
Overall, the changes are trying to make the rifle more mainstream and upscale. Unfortunately, they are reducing some of the features that make Savages so unique and in my opinion, excellent.
The center feed mag is great and built like a tank. Try finding that on any other domestically made rifle for less then $1000.
The bolt lift out of the box definitely could use some TLC. That is why I do the bolt timing service. Makes a huge difference in the function and feel of cycling the bolt.
Otherwise, it is a far cry better then other US manf rifles.
A great rifle that will shoot very well indeed....with a bit of tuning.
Jerry
- Location
- Sudbury, On
Zero flex with my Accustock on a bipod.
That being said, I'm going to a McMillan stock for ergonomics and features. Buy once, cry once!
That being said, I'm going to a McMillan stock for ergonomics and features. Buy once, cry once!
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
DEPENDS. I have looked at the wide forend version that comes with the LE model - varmint style, and that one is really stiff. There is also alot of room around the barrel to ensure it never touches.
I am presently working on a precision carbine with a sporter or hunting shape. The barrel gap is much tighter and there is a bit of flex in the forend. Not much and not likely to cause any issues but you can squeeze the barrel and stock together. I prefer more gap to ensure the barrel will not hit the stock.
Jerry
I that mine? If you're thinking it might be an issue down the road for me I'd rather replace the stock now.
Mystic Precision
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there is little point to replacing the accustock - unless you are looking for a different shape. It works just fine. We are splitting hairs here when we talk about forend flex. Worse case, take a dowel and some sandpaper and open up the channel another 1/16". DONE.
It is a very useable product and will serve most shooters just fine.
Jerry
It is a very useable product and will serve most shooters just fine.
Jerry
The only good idea in the Savage design IMHO is the floating bolt head...
The Accutrigger is not a trigger design at all,...it's an automatic safety design to make up for a poor trigger design,..as well as allowing anyone with the tools and inclination to lower the trigger pull to unsafe levels without worrying (too much) about an AD...but it does work as intended.
The wedge pushing the recoil lug rearward does the same thing that Ruger designed into the M77 in 1967 with it's angled front guard screw......that is, pulling the recoil lug back against it's abuttment as well as pulling the receiver down into the bedding....nothing new there...just 40 years later and slightly different means to the same end...
Once barrels are properly headspaced into most bolt actions they would be much easier to swap without a goofy barrel nut....
and the smooth barrel nut is not new...Savage used it on the Models 325 and 340 years ago....
The Accutrigger is not a trigger design at all,...it's an automatic safety design to make up for a poor trigger design,..as well as allowing anyone with the tools and inclination to lower the trigger pull to unsafe levels without worrying (too much) about an AD...but it does work as intended.
The wedge pushing the recoil lug rearward does the same thing that Ruger designed into the M77 in 1967 with it's angled front guard screw......that is, pulling the recoil lug back against it's abuttment as well as pulling the receiver down into the bedding....nothing new there...just 40 years later and slightly different means to the same end...
Once barrels are properly headspaced into most bolt actions they would be much easier to swap without a goofy barrel nut....
and the smooth barrel nut is not new...Savage used it on the Models 325 and 340 years ago....
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
I am very impressed with the accutrigger as it has one of the nicest pulls of a factory trigger at 2lbs (compare that to a new gen Rem). Has no overtravel to speak off and breaks cleanly.
I DO like the extra safety that lever provides. In a hunting situation, it could really save your hide if you have a fall or drop the rifle. The fact that it can be adjusted at home, great - saves $$
There is a reason a trigger safety is pretty much standard in all working HG's. Think Glock, XD and the likes.
I agree, the wedge lug is a band aid solution to an ongoing problem but I don't see us going back to properly inletted stocks anytime soon. It is better then the alternative BUT there are better solutions.
The Accustock could be so much more.
That Goofy barrel nut does require more steps then a shouldered headspaced to swap BUT considering the cost to shoulder headspace a barrel, using the nut is a godsend to those that like to try all sorts of stuff.
I just got a very old Svage 340 and it does have a slotted barrel nut. The other 3 that I have had over the years had the same style. I have not seen a smooth nut on a Savage until the recent stuff - AND I AM NOT IMPRESSED.
I doubt anyone is going to want to spend $250 to 300 PER barrel if you want swap out a dozen barrels.
With the strong dollar, prechambered/threaded match quality barrels can be had in a huge range of chamberings for about the same cost as some match barrel blanks. That is amazing value.
The floating bolt head is wonderful and really the cornerstone of my love for these actions too. But their quirks, often criticised is why they absolutely leave conventional actions in the dust.
YMMV.
Jerry
