Any truth RE Sig design flaw??

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So I am pretty skeptical about this claim, but here it is.

A fellow shooter at my club claims Sig's are #### because the hammer is designed to stop 1/16" short of the firing pin, and thus results in light primer strikes and poor reliability. (Apparently, the force of the hammer coming down causes some overtravel beyond the 1/6" stop point, and thats what is use to contact the firing pin)

I really can't see this being the case because what I have read, Sigs are very good quality guns. But said it was particularly the case with the Mosquito.

I am not very familiar with the Sig design, so I guess what I am wondering is

1) Are sig's actually designed like this?
2 If yes, any affect on reliability?
 
Me thinks your buddy is full of ####e.

If SIGs were so crappy, would they be in use by police/military forces all over the world? My guess is he's a standard club know-it-all... just like the douche at WSS that tried to tell me to only use Rem Oil (it's the BEST!) on my guns... just like he used to when he was on the SWAT team (ah.... no).
 
Sigs are like any mechanical device, prone to fail given enough time.

The biggest flaw I recall with the 226 was the initial frames would crack in the area where the steel insert was in the aluminum frame. Later models seem to be less prone to fail.

Early pinned breech models had some roll pin walking issues. Later models are machined.
 
Onagoth said:
But, is there any truth in this 1/16" of an inch claim?
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No I don't think so, if it is true, then you will see tons of FTF report over the net and you won't see any Sig fans here. personal I don't like SIG but they are indeed some of the most reliable firearm out there. So I guess your friend got some wrong information.

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Onagoth said:
But, is there any truth in this 1/16" of an inch claim?
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When I dry fire my 229, the hammer does not appear to come down and hit the firing pin at all, never mind just 1/16th" of an inch. It looks like it stops moving about a 1/2" away.

I'm sure that this is just an optical illusion of some sort, as I've never really had a problem with light primer strikes.
 
I'm not familiar with the details, don't have a Sig at hand, didn't look last time I shot one, but it sounds like a rebounding hammer with a floating firing pin arrangement.
If so, this would not be a design flaw, but would be an intentional part of the design.
I have never heard of a misfiring problem with Sigs. I will ask my ERT neighbour, who carries one of these, if there are any reports whatsoever of Sigs misfiring.
I suspect that your club expert, as was pointed out in the second post in this thread, is full of.....
 
My 226 was a police trade in. I've put probably at least 12,000 rounds through it in the last 2 1/2 years. With many different kinds of ammo, including handloads with harder rifle primers I can't recall any light strikes.

After firing the hammer does rebound to a position where it is maybe 1/16" from the firing pin. If the design was so bad, how has it become one of the most trusted and successful auto pistols of all time??
 
When the pistol is at rest, the hammer is back from the firing pin. It's not like the 1911 where it rests on the pin at all times. It will only strike it when the trigger is pulled. There is more than enough force to fire the 22X Sig's. If your looking at getting one, do it!!! My 226 Elite is my second Sig and by far the best I ever owned.
 
I own a 226 and have a fair bit of experience with that model and i also own a 220. There is a hammer intercept notch that blocks the hammer from making contact with the firing pin if the trigger is not pulled. But when the hammer falls as part of a normal single action or double action trigger pull, it makes full contact with the firing pin. I cannot speak for the Mosquito. In my opinion, someone has to be more than a little bit ignorant to declare that Sig pistols have a "poor reliabitity".
 
Well, a sig might be in the works down the road, but not really where I was headed with this thread. Just wanted to know if there was any truth.

Thanks for the feedback, I suspect the range buddy just got fed some misinformation, maybe a little too impressionable with all the myths floating around on the net.
 
your buddy is an idiot... sigs and most modern autos have what is called a rebound safety, ie: the hammer is NEVER in direct contact with the firing pin unless the trigger is deliberatly (sp?) pulled.
 
Note to self, remember to write a letter to the SAS and warn them that their Sig P228's are sh*t, also remember to CC. the US Navy about their Navy SEAL's pistols, add a quick NB to Homeland Security, The US Coast Guard, the entire French National Police, elements of the RCMP, some FBI agents........wow, I'm going to be writing for a long time.
 
he's thinking of the rebound spring. after the hammer hits the firing pin it bounces back slightly so that it's not resting on it (watch it in dry fire). Beyond that, said buddy is an idiot.
 
My P220 ELite does indeed stay something liek 1/4" or so (never measured but it feels like a big gap) I too thought it odd as it assumed all guns hammers rest on the pin, or use a transfer bar or something. I don't know exactly what they use, but the gun is the very definition of reliable. I have yet to have a single FTF, FTE, or any other problem with it with any of the cheap s**tty ammo I use. I hardly ever clean it either. The gun is just awesome...and dirty.

Your friend is right that the hammer has a gap int he resting position, but this is it's design and there is no flaw whatsoever. Try one. You'll fall in love with it just by holding.
 
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