Any updates on Troy Sporting Rifle (PAR)

Would Rampart help me out even if I bought the rifle from a different dealer?

If Rampart doesn't help you out (and they have no obligation to as far as I can tell) then I think you're going to have to kick up a stink with IRG. Troy manufactured a faulty product and IRG sold you a faulty product. Someone is going to have to make good on it somewhere along the line. IRG said that they would fix whatever issues come up with these guns if Troy (or I would assume, their authorized distributor in this country) would not be willing to. Up to and including replacing the product. Hold them to it.
 
Since everyone has been making statements based on little fact so far & some conjecture on the PAR design, let me offer the following response from Steve Troy the CEO & owner of Troy Industries / with whom I communicated several minutes ago.

"The fluting is used to keep the case from sticking to the chamber wall making a manual extraction difficult. This is never noticed on a semi auto as the gas expanding in the carrier does all the unlocking and pulling. With the pump we had to override the out of tolerance wolf ammo that was coming in the country that caused a issue in semi guns as well as our pump. There is nothing wrong with flutes done properly in a stoner bolt system, other companies have incorporated them on their semis and full autos as well. I'll leave you google Jedi's to figure out who."

For the time being that should answer some questions & no doubt kick off other-ones...


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I'm going to disagree with Troy, but because I'm not an "engineer" of course my opinion means nothing.

I have stated before, if the flutes interfere with the case rotating to 'break the gas seal' like a normal rotating bolt head, then the extractor claw must grind around the bolt head (as there will be rearward pressure from the action) to unlock and then it can pull the case out of the chamber.

I have NEVER heard of any rotating bolt head rifle that uses a fluted chamber. Of course HK's are famous for having it, but again they have a 'strait-pull' style of extraction, and they need something to keep the case from sticking to the chamber walls. I know there are other rifles with fluted chambers for this same reason as well. (For example; the FAMAS) In this case, it works very well. Quite convenient for them to say "google it!" and let people endlessly search for some random guns that had a fluted chamber and rotating bolt head, that may or may not have ever been in full production. Would love to hear of these common firearms that this exists in!

This seems like Troy sticking to their engineers opinion rather than using some logic or sense. A chamber on the looser side of SAAMI spec, or chromed bore would also aide in extraction of steel cased ammo. Or they could be like EVERY OTHER gun maker and say "Don't Use steel cased ammo".... ESPECIALLY out of spec Wolf ammo, who even designs a gun to work with out of spec ammo??? (I understand catering to the lowest common denominator but this seems dangerous, designing a rifle to shoot out of spec ammo)



I would be much more interested in someone taking a chromed AR barrel (if it indeed is compatible) and putting a sleeve over the gas port to close it off, then seeing how it works with a smooth unfluted chamber... Or a long-term test on extraction between the fluted and unfluted 300 blackout rifles.
 
Steel case does not "shrink" after expansion, that is why it needs lacquer or whatever polymer coating. I suppose the fluting works like drainage for the coating once it gets hot.

Brass expands and shrinks. If the flutings are made at a correct depth, the brass should be undersized by the time it cools down for extraction, and the chamber should not be engaging the embossment on the brass.

Looks like the problem could be the chamber size and fluting depth variance in production, that need to be fine tuned.

A small part of the problem, the pumping action is not exactly linear to the path of the linking rod. There is a small amount of distance from the centre of the axis of the pumping action to the linking rod, so there is a bit of torquing going on there. So the energy transfer of the pumping to the action is not 1-100% efficient.
 
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Hmm. I wonder if this might turn into a situation where we will actually need those new barrels that we were told might be needed.
 
Does anyone have any updated reviews on this? Really want to make the jump and purchase one.

Thanks in advance!

I got mine the other day. Not going to get a chance to shoot it until Sunday though. Initial impressions are good. Fit and finish are good. No visible tool marks or blemishes. The bottom pic rail on the pump is about 0.25" too long and catches on the magwell while you have the upper hinged open for disassembling. Not a huge deal, but you need to make sure the pump is all the way back for disassembly. Pump has a bit of play while locked forwards, but I don't think I have ever seen a pump action firearm that doesn't.

Trigger is faily standard 6ish#, the reset when you pump is quite distinct. The manual release is a bit awkward to reach, being at the bottom of the trigger guard where it meets the magwell. Not a huge issue but I noticed it binds a bit if you have rearward pressure on the pump while pressing the release.

I'll update with a range report Sunday afternoon unless the RCMP wave their wand and ban something else.
 
Very interested to hear any feedback on the .308 model. So far, the only potential deal-killer for me would be the damage to the brass for reloading purposes.

Questions I would have would be : Describe level of felt recoil: Tolerable, mule-like, etc. Is the .308 muzzle brake pinned? Any feeding issues with Pmags? Commercial or mil spec tube? And while they expound upon the various Troy grips available, I assume all the PARs can use AR-15-style handgrips?

Any and all reports welcomed. Adriel the hunting gear guy seemed impressed on YouTube, so that's a solid plus.
 
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