Any value to these "Enfields" from Afghanistan?

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I saw these while I was overseas in 2007, almost bought one but ended up canceling last minute as I was going on an OP.

My buddy is going back over on the next roto and am wondering if it's worth it to get him to ship one home?

When I saw these in person, they were definately not firing condition or at the least would require extensive work. Lots of rust in the barrel, some triggering mechanisms were off...

Anyone know anything detailed about these? AFAIR, they were asking around $100USD, so I'd be able to get 'em for $50~ish + shipping.

 
The sniders "with external hammers" could have some potential!!

I myself would like to have one if the price is right and its not too buggered up.

Hey if you can get them for 50 $$ each....get them...at the very least they can be parted out to repair others.

In parts alone you will make more then 50$$ per arm.


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most i seen were fake, reproductions,good craftsman they are. everything at bazarr is . in my tours i only came across one real piece, was a stone craving from museum, did come across some real 12.6 s and webley 44. not worth the hassle. all fake the enfields
 
Not worth the effort, they are knock offs. No good for shooting and no good for parts. Only use I see in them is for kids to play with or to hang on your wall.
 
99% of these are junk. You really have to have an in depth knowledge if you don't want to get stung. Similar to the Nepal cache rifles and muskets in state of disrepair and alterations. You might better put your Canadian dollars into Canadian historic rifles.. in my opinion. Dave
 
remember

These are the regions who's arms industries are renowned for reproducing ANYTHING. It is truly amazing what they can do with very basic tools!
Whole towns devoted to nothing but manufacturing guns..often out of simple stalls in a market-type setting


bought one but ended up canceling last minute as I was going on an OP.

My buddy is going back over on the next roto and am wondering if it's worth it to get him to ship one home?

When I saw these in person, they were definately not firing condition or at the least would require extensive work. Lots of rust in the barrel, some triggering mechanisms were off...

Anyone know anything detailed about these? AFAIR, they were asking around $100USD, so I'd be able to get 'em for $50~ish + shipping.

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Well at the very least they are good fakes. I wouldn't be shooting them anyways, just hanging on the wall, but needed a rough idea of whether they were legit or not...

I'll have my buddy see if they are still going for the same price, may still be worth while as a conversation piece.
 
Even though they are junk, I can see you haveing to declare them as firearms and registering then when they come into Canada. They are not genuine antiques, and certainly modern manufacture that theoretically can discharge projectiles. So my guess is you will run into more hassle than they are worth.

If you want a wall hanger conversation peice, spend your money in Canada on a real antique. Even a non functional one will be a thousand fold better than these curios.
 
All fakes and afgan junk If you can get for $10 ea.... get several war trophies. They are not real antiques, just war prizes or a made to order trinkets… Get one for the trip sake.
Memories are good to hang on the walland are allot to look at too...

Pete
 
Such negativity! At 50-100 apiece you will do quite well stateside or here! There is a demand. And as antiques no administrative burdens over here. Pick up up as many as you can. I've shot nepalese 53's and Martinis. Just study up on what Marks or variations are what, on the pre 98's before you go and do good pre-checks of each antique for acceptable cond.
 
I looked them over and was not entirely discouraged. Yes, there are fakes in the mix, but I saw several that looked genuine. The bad ones had misaligned letters, stamps reversed, dates not matching the Enfield and Martini mark blocks, wirebrushed patina and visible tool marks. The good ones were rusty (or not) and did not show any of those obvious faults. The muskets were less suspect than the Martinis.

The problem is not choosing which one, but getting it back. The Posties had 'no guns' signs. DHL had a 'no war souvenirs' sign. Baggage dimensions prohibit shipping long items. Using the US postal system is just asking for trouble. Then shipping any firearm, old or new, will put an instant scum on your pond. The meatheads, the Traffic Techs, the Posties, Sergeant Majors and that is just guys on your own team without involving Customs or the firearms bureaucracy.
 
I'm on the next roto (leave in a couple of months) and I asked my Warrant about bringbacks, he said no go since they're considered war trophies. I don't know if that's true, but it's the answer I got from my COC.
 
Should have seen what came back from Gulf War 91. Anyways I understand that our allies to our south have a different set of simular rules reguarding pre 1898's. Your friends you work with and see after your tour.That's your O group. ...Out.
 
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I'm on the next roto (leave in a couple of months) and I asked my Warrant about bringbacks, he said no go since they're considered war trophies. I don't know if that's true, but it's the answer I got from my COC.
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Yet another reason to steer clear of becoming a member of the Canadian Armed Forces. What kind of a pussy-whipped politician came up with THAT rule and how come the guys are actually obeying it?

A war trophy should be your God given right, especially after you recover it from some dead hadji POS that was gonna blow your head off with it in the first place!

The whole idea behind trophies was that they are an excellent morale booster for the troops and there aren't too many of those over at I.E.D. land, I hear. This type of politically-correct (Liberal) bullsh*t is exactly what's turning that whole situation into a tidal wave of sh*t with no end in sight - the only thing we actually see are the dead bodies coming back home wrapped in flags. No WAR was ever won with kindness and political correctness - EVER!

All in all... if they're gonna treat you like you're an 8 year old kid that's too irresponsible to even bring back a fcking rusted musket (and I'm not even talking about any real war trophy, like what was being brought back in the old days), then give that C-7 of yours to Ignatieff, Layton and company and have them fight for Afghan freedom for a change. Clearly our country doesn't think much of our troops anymore... This is really sad. :mad:

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P.S. I hope no one will bring the argument of this being a good rule because it prevents some guys from bringing RPG-7's or full auto AKs back home. True, there must be a limit - but having a rule against bringing back muskets or other Canada/US-legal guns is just freakin ridiculous. Another level of civilian disarmament in disguise (as in: "You can only have a gun while working for Uncle Sam").
 
Well when I was there, there was a memo from the Canadian MP's (I believe) stating the official way to ship the firearms back to Canada. The ONLY way was to ship through the USPS on base (not through the Canadian postal system), after getting it inspected. This may have changed as it's been two years since I got back, but there was a specific way to do it.

When I get word from the guys on the ground I'll let y'all know.
 
There are some reproduction rifles made there and brought back to the UK some years ago, that would not pass proof testing in the UK. The quality is not bad, and the big problem with most of those guns was the ####ty ammunition that the Pathans made and used in them. They used strips of old 35mm Nitro Cellulose film, in some of the .303 lee Enfields, instead of cordite; and the primers were crappy too. However they seemed to get them to work ok. Crappy rifle manufacturers don't last long in that part of the world, dissatisfied customers can be very violent.
 
For $50 plus shipping shouldnt be too bad. The main thing is if anything looks fishy or suspicious, don't take it. There are a LOT of old guns there, so it's not like you won't have another chance.
 
"...get him to ship one home?..." CF won't allow it.
"...how come the guys are actually obeying it?..." Because they honour the oath they took to obey the lawful orders of their superiors.
No firearm war trophies for U.S. troopies either.
 
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