Any word on development of a short GSG-16 barrel?
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I would be out if you thread it to M9-.075.. There isn't any correct FH for it And I don't want to run an adapter.
There are very limited options for muzzle device for that thread. None would even look good on a GSG 16. Most meant for a pistol. You can get a fake can, but it tiny and for some wouldn't fit the SD look they are trying to achieve. I think if you thread it to that, less people would be interested in buying your barrel.
Stick to 1/2-28.
There are very limited options for muzzle device for that thread. None would even look good on a GSG 16. Most meant for a pistol. You can get a fake can, but it tiny and for some wouldn't fit the SD look they are trying to achieve. I think if you thread it to that, less people would be interested in buying your barrel.
Stick to 1/2-28.
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Maybe you didn't read the reason why we want to thread it for that. If we thread them 1/2"-28 then people may have an issue installing the barrel itself. Just because WE can do it doesn't mean it's an easy thing. Our goal is to make this an accessible project for everyone, not just experienced gunsmiths with access to a full machine shop....
Most people will not have a problem running an M9 x .75 adapter to make the final thread 1/2"-28. In fact, a lot of people already have one on their 1911 .22 GSG or otherwise. If not then they are at least cheap and commonly available.
As for the 3-lug they are easy to find on airsoft sites so that's an easy buy, but we have no plans to make one at this point. There are already so many projects that have been set aside to make these barrels that we just don't have the time.
At the end of the day you guys asked for something and we came through. We understand that there is no pleasing all of the people all of the time so we are just doing what we think would make it cheapest & easiest to help the majority of you. If we didn't happen to fulfill everyone's particular dreams then we apologize, we'll try harder next time, lol.
In the meantime, it's the Christmas Season and we plan to enjoy it. Hope you all do too, cheers.
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I did read, why you want to go with the M9x0.75. Ease of installation. But it's not what people want. Like I said, there is very little options for muzzle devices that would be suitable for the GSG 16.. I wouldn't want to put this on my GSG 16. That suited for a race pistol, Not a rifle.
I bet if you did a vote, between what to thread it for, majority would pick 1/2-28mm. Running a adapter will ruin the MP5 look of the muzzle device right after the front sight.
So having to install a M9 to 1/2-28 adapter like this :
is the deal breaker ?!
If so then I'm sorry but I guess you're out then. Because the trade off for the majority of people is ease of installation which to them may be the deal breaker. Considering we are only making 100 barrels and are keeping 20 for ourselves to install on rifles for sale, I'm sure they will sell just fine.
Like I said, can't please all the people all the time.
is the deal breaker ?!
If so then I'm sorry but I guess you're out then. Because the trade off for the majority of people is ease of installation which to them may be the deal breaker. Considering we are only making 100 barrels and are keeping 20 for ourselves to install on rifles for sale, I'm sure they will sell just fine.
Like I said, can't please all the people all the time.
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It's 54.99, plus tax/shipping for a GSG to 1/2-28mm adapter. Not something many of us, want to buy extra. When there is the option of ditching the need for one.
So 199, plus tax, plus shipping ( for the barrel ) Plus another 54.99 plus tax and shipping for the adapter, plus how much for the FH.
Really not making it any cheaper for us. Because I rather pay the 85$ extra and get it with the proper thread. And save on shipping costs, having to buy a useless adapter. Personally I hate having to run multiable adapters.
So 199, plus tax, plus shipping ( for the barrel ) Plus another 54.99 plus tax and shipping for the adapter, plus how much for the FH.
Really not making it any cheaper for us. Because I rather pay the 85$ extra and get it with the proper thread. And save on shipping costs, having to buy a useless adapter. Personally I hate having to run multiable adapters.
They are actually only $19.99 USD and there is a possibility we may make them here so that would be in Cdn $ and would ship with the barrel saving extra shipping. Also, as I said, many people already have these on their GSG 1911 type pistol so....yeah. You want to argue, feel free, but I don't have time.
We are making what we want to make and if you want to buy one then we would like to sell you one. If you don't ,then don't.
There are things to make and orders to fill so I've got to go now. Updates will come when we have them.
We are making what we want to make and if you want to buy one then we would like to sell you one. If you don't ,then don't.
There are things to make and orders to fill so I've got to go now. Updates will come when we have them.
Any chance you charge extra for the 1/2x28 threading and install since it’s not easy? I’d pay more for that service.
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Fine, I'm sorry.
I second what Kratos and OkayShooter are saying. And I would like to make a suggestion. Let's have two streams of guys.
The first stream would be for guys like me that will pay for Dlask to do the barrel swap for me. In cases like this, where the firearm will be at Dlask, would you consider installing a 9" barrel with the 1/2x28 threading?
The second stream would be M9 threading for guys who want to install the barrel themselves.
That's an easy solution, and makes both camps happy!
Please consider my request, I'm willing to pay the shop fee.
Either way, if you are only making 100 of these barrels, please put one aside for me. I'll be wanting to send you my gun once I get it & we sort out the details for the work.
In closing, I will simply say thank you for doing this Dlask. Guys like me appreciate it.
Cheers
Jay
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Hey Jay,
I understand that you and others here think it's 'easy' to to do something as you suggest ....but it is not. It would mean added cost to make two different drawings, write two different CAD programs, set up the tooling for two different runs etc....and on and on. Many people that have never worked in a machine shop think CNC machining is 'easy'. As in, we pop a piece of metal into a microwave, push a button and a minute later out pops a finished, perfect component. This could not be further from the truth. It is time consuming and very difficult to do different set-ups for limited runs of 50 or 100 pieces. Yes, for those of you that don't know, 100 pieces is a SMALL run for a CNC.
I am not trying to be sarcastic or call anyone crazy for not knowing these things. In the same way that you could plop me into an accountant's seat and watch my face drain because I simply would not have a clue where to begin in that job. All I am trying to impress upon you guys is the fact that we are a *fairly* experienced group of machinists and for what we are doing to make these barrels we have decided that our approach is the best for us and most people that will buy these barrels and want to either install it themselves or have a different (than us) gunsmith install it.
I'm sorry, I understand that you guys have this preset notion in your minds about *exactly* how you want this or that but at the end of the day we need to think about the majority of folks that will be buying these and the most cost effective / easiest installation trade off.
I spoke to Joe about the adapter and your concerns and he thinks it may be possible to sell the barrel WITH the adapter for our targeted $199.99 price point. This means that the two parts will mate properly and that, once installed, if we didn't tell you the adapter was a separate part, you would never know.
Honestly, that's about all you can ask of us and I think it's a pretty good all-round solution. . .Jesus, I need a beer.
TheNatural21
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Including the thread adapter that is machined to blend in with the lines of the barrel is a brilliant idea. Good thinking!
I'm enthusiastic about this project, but always hesitant to jump on something without hearing real world reviews. Does anyone from the prototype run have an accuracy report?
I'm enthusiastic about this project, but always hesitant to jump on something without hearing real world reviews. Does anyone from the prototype run have an accuracy report?
There is only ONE prototype in existence right now that does not belong to us. It is Sky52's and he said he would post a report after this weekend's testing. I would think however the question you should be asking from a 9" plastic and pot metal quasi Airsoft rifle is : does it cycle reliably ? Accuracy will be a close second, lol.
For a fly killing, tack driving machine please see our line of TUF-22 rifles....
It is a 22 rifle. They are by design a jam-o-matic dependent of ammo choice, but so far it runs like a sewing machine on Minimag and thunderbolt, Federal blue box is iffy. Going to try AE and Winchester Super X this weekend. I will bring my go pro along this weekend, but will only take video when its running 90%.
For the record, the 10/22 that I have will not run minimag very well. Too much vibration from that round to a point that the mag falls out of the gun, while my CMMG 22 AR wont run anything other than Federal blue box, and even then it has to be dripping wet.
To be quite honest, with the GSG in its factory form I was still looking for its favorite load. I shot it once and it was dropped off at Dlask for this project. One of the thing I found with this gun is that the mag follower gets sticky and the follower can't come up quick enough for the bolt to chamber the next round and you get a click.
