I have real nice CZ with a custom English walnut stock sitting in the gun safe and I seldom shoot it as I have a full stock CZ hornet i really like to shoot. So i thought I might get the other one K'd. This I assume is easy work for a gunsmith? thanks FS
anybody K'd a regular honet chamber? CZ
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Fassteel , buddy I had a K hornet in a Winchester 54 , and found now improvement over the Hornet with bullets and powder available. This is just my experience ?
I for one don't want a nice English stocked rifle in an improved chambering, a lot harder to sell if that's a consideration.
How is your CZ FS shooting? Mine is doing OK, but I have a little more fine tuning to suite me.
Cheers friend!
Dale Z
I for one don't want a nice English stocked rifle in an improved chambering, a lot harder to sell if that's a consideration.
How is your CZ FS shooting? Mine is doing OK, but I have a little more fine tuning to suite me.
Cheers friend!
Dale Z
I have two that have been K'd but both are single shots - one H&R and the other a TC Encore on a Pro-hunter frame. It helped greatly for reloading as it seems to be a lot easier on the brass. Both really like 35gr VMax over 12.5 gr W296. Huge amount of fun on gophers; get serious "lift and separation". Cheap to reload.
There are some variations for shoulder angle on the reamers out there, wont impact you unless you swap K'd ammo with others.
There are some variations for shoulder angle on the reamers out there, wont impact you unless you swap K'd ammo with others.
The K-H case is the same length as the Hornet... a shorter neck results from the blown out case and neck pushed forward, but it will handle the same bullets at the same COL... in my single shot rifles (No.1 and H&R's) there is a long throat, which allows me to take full advantage of the K case... in those guns I shoot 50 VM's seated out to 1.920"... but in my Ruger 77's I am limited to 1.810" COL due to the, unfortunately, short Ruger magazine... for the Rugers, I shoot the 40 VM at 1.810", but can only load four in the six round mag, due to the fifth round pushing the tip-up orientation to parallel and cause jams inside the magazine... I can load the full six 40 VM's at 1.799" OR I can use flat base 45 SP Hornet bullets and load to 1.800" for a full six rounds. The issue with the VM's at 1.799" is that the curvature of the bullet seats slightly inside the lip of the case... not an issue except in aesthetics... personally I don't like it... and prefer four rounds at 1.810".
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Stupid question of the day...what' does it mean to have your rifle K'd?
Thanks,
Cal.
Thanks,
Cal.
Not a stupid question at all. I don't have any pictures handy but basically its a re-bore of the chamber to take the hornet from looking like a pop bottle (1929 design I believe) to more of a "conventional" cartridge shape, adding a slight increase in case capacity for additional powder, hence a faster bullet. Seems to me the K action was first done back in the "30's to improve its performance a little.
Google would be your friend here for pictures, unless some-one is handier than I and post a comparison picture.
Google would be your friend here for pictures, unless some-one is handier than I and post a comparison picture.
The "K" is usually said to stand for "Kilbourn" as in Lysle Kilbourn the originator of the most popular of the improved Hornet's... it is not a "modern" shape as stated above as it is a very old design (Kilbourn died in '68). Any Hornet chambered can be opened up to a "K" very simply... I do all my rechambers by hand with a live pilot reamer and a "go-gauge"... the whole process takes 30 minutes. Any Hornet ammo can be fired in a "K" chamber... which is how brass is made, by simply fire forming Hornet brass. I use Winchester Hornet ammo and simply shoot it in the K-chamber... then subsequently load the brass with a RCBS K-H FL die and seater... the reamer is from Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool... the beauty of the "K" is the ease of chambering, forming brass and improved brass life... I net 150-200 fps over the standard Hornet depending on load. It is a fun loading the little pills and a joy to shoot.
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The best way to get a Kilbourn Hornet is to buy a .22 Hornet on the EE here. 
The last two I bought BOTH had been re-chambered to K-Hornet! And the sellers "had no idea" about this!!! And neither rifle was chambered for a standard .22 K-H chamber, so neither of them can shoot ammo that has been made with .22 K-H dies. The one rifle was such a mess, chamber was just one of a bunch of issues (like zero rifling in a shot-out barrel), it went back to the seller. The other is a Ruger 77-22 Hornet which just shoots amazingly well with standard .22 Hornet ammo (but the brass is then not re-useable, unless I wanted to get a neck sizer of course...)
Back to Fasteeel, glad you found a load that works in that CZ! Light bullets, I am guessing?
Doug
The last two I bought BOTH had been re-chambered to K-Hornet! And the sellers "had no idea" about this!!! And neither rifle was chambered for a standard .22 K-H chamber, so neither of them can shoot ammo that has been made with .22 K-H dies. The one rifle was such a mess, chamber was just one of a bunch of issues (like zero rifling in a shot-out barrel), it went back to the seller. The other is a Ruger 77-22 Hornet which just shoots amazingly well with standard .22 Hornet ammo (but the brass is then not re-useable, unless I wanted to get a neck sizer of course...)
Back to Fasteeel, glad you found a load that works in that CZ! Light bullets, I am guessing?
Doug
have you ever done a Brno-CZ with this method, if so how was the case neck run out?
