I have heard that or a similar story many times but have never heard a first person account. Could be true? Not sure! Makes me wonder how any of us survived loading paper hulls with paper base wads? Come to think of it, we never expected more than a couple loading from anything til AA came along! Now anything less than the standard set by the old AA is a failure. With so many good once fired hulls being thrown away at a faster rate than scroungers can pick, it makes me wonder when I hear of buying hulls and failure of certain hulls to provide multiple loadings? Free hulls are free! Why is there a need to stretch free so far?
Anybody reload Challengers or Rios?
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I have heard that or a similar story many times but have never heard a first person account. Could be true? Not sure! Makes me wonder how any of us survived loading paper hulls with paper base wads? Come to think of it, we never expected more than a couple loading from anything til AA came along! Now anything less than the standard set by the old AA is a failure. With so many good once fired hulls being thrown away at a faster rate than scroungers can pick, it makes me wonder when I hear of buying hulls and failure of certain hulls to provide multiple loadings? Free hulls are free! Why is there a need to stretch free so far?
One wad (1 oz) that is being recommended by guys and girls on 'the other' shotgun website for the newer AA hulls is the Downrange Red wad. I've just ordered a batch to give them a try. I've used Downrange XL-1 and 1 1/8 wads with good success and I like them. But Iv'e used them mostly in Remington cases or old AA's. I have noticed the crease that can form at the top of the base cup in the newer AA's too. Oddly enough I've found my old AA's stretch. There is what looks like a shallow depression that occurs just in front of the the base wad in most of mine now. It reminds me of the stretching that occurs near the web of a high powered rifle cartridge.
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Well said! It's a wonder any of us survived loading all those paper Canuck, Imperials, Maxums, etc... and not to mention all the other paper base wad plastic hulls that were so common in the 1970's once plastic became standard. Many, myself included, would pick spent hulls up in the marsh and dry them out for reloading. The paper base wad issue has been much like the "Bermuda Triange" of shotshell reloading. We have all heard of the horror stories with regard to seperation and the like but as CR stated...any first hand accounts?
I'll load a paper base wad hull any day, my favorites still being Fed Papers...and besides they small great after firing!
Claybuster: 'Solidly attached' for how long? This shot, or the next, or perhaps the one 'down the road'? My point is why fool around with an inferior design (a two piece hull) when one piece Remington hulls are plentiful and available for reloading? You can brush your teeth with a toothpick but why bother? Two piece hulls belong in 'file 13', IMHO. P.S. I won't even reload the 'new and improved' Winchester HS hull; talk about messing with past perfection.....
So you are saying that the only shells we should be loadng is Remington
The only remington hull that I would load is one that I got for free. I would rather load my kents a couple times than pay the outrageous price that remington usually goes for in our area. I think that too many have got a phobia against the new winchester hull. I think that their only fault is that they are not the old style AA. My point is that since new hulls are plentiful, why keep any past one or two loading even those precious remingtons?Claybuster,
Thanks for posting those pics. Next year I will make it a point to order another 10 flats of Kent 1 oz. lights.
From my experience in loading Cheddite hulls I've never had a base wad separate or loosen. I have had the hulls lose crimp after 5 or 6 loadings. I believe that the number of firings required to loosen a base wad would be far in excess of the reasonable life of the hull. It's not something I worry about but don't load the Cheddite hulls more than 2 or 3 times.
Remington make good once piece hulls but they are not that plentiful in my part of Ontario nor are Remington primers. Most recipes for their hulls specify RP primers and they can be hard to find.
I will load the Winchester AAHS but don't like them compared to the older AA however have no concerns about reloading them. The 28 gauge AAHS is the best currently produced hull for that gauge on the market.
With regard to Rio shells, I wouldn't shoot their factory loads, let alone reload their crappy hulls. About 1/4 of every box of Rio I've ever used (I bought a flat, used it, haven't bought it since), had burrs on the the brass at the base of the hull. The burrs meant that (a) they often wouldn't load consistently or properly without some 'manual encouragement' and also rubbed the inside of the chamber, which might, if done enough, wear the chamber funny.
So... don't buy Rio. Friends don't let friends buy Rio.
(I like challenger though, and they've shot well for me).
So... don't buy Rio. Friends don't let friends buy Rio.
(I like challenger though, and they've shot well for me).
You almost make it sound like there is danger in fiddling with hulls other than remington? Like it or not, remington will always play second fiddle to Winchester, when it comes to sales. I will load anything that I have data for at least one time, even remington when I havethem.
In my doubles, two times. In my auto I say goodbye when I pull the triggerCome on now CR! How often would you actually load a Remington hull
I treat all hulls the same.
I've found a couple of hulls I thought were Federal Gold Medal, but had the separate base wad too. I didn't buy them new, however, so didn't understand quite what was going on. I'd have been choked if I thought I was buying Federal Gold Medal and found them instead of the one piece hull.
Why such a restrictive reloading scheme with premium hulls CR? Is it concern about pressure and velocity drop? I've been thinking that it isn't a large concern based on
http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/caselife.htm
Fred
Why such a restrictive reloading scheme with premium hulls CR? Is it concern about pressure and velocity drop? I've been thinking that it isn't a large concern based on
http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/caselife.htm
Fred
I do not have them now so I can not be %100, but I think I have had some hulls that were GM, that had a plastic base wad insert?
Restrictive? If you are asking why I throw them after 2? I have so many once fired hulls in stock and I live in a land where there are plenty and my hull stache seems to be growning. I am sure that I could get 4 or 5 out of my AAs and STS but by that time they are starting to look grungie (win64 better sp ck grungie) and my fresh red and green and blue and maroon colored hulls keep calling to me.
I do not have enough space for my once fired and twice fired, to add a 3, 4, and 5. If anyone is interested and pays the shipping I would be happy to send all those hulls that survive the second timeSorry bangbang! The only reliable data that I have is what I have posted. That 24 gram load sure is a sweet load. I have heard that kent uses cheddite hulls and primers and some type of alliant powder in their 1 oz sporting load. I would call Alliant Technical Assistance at 800-276-9337. Good Luck.
